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Glock has been around for very long time. It also has amazing support and marketing base, perhaps the best in the world even compared to H&K, with its LE and Military contracts all over the world. Not to mention regular appearance in various movies...
But it's appearance hasn't changed all that much, even though it can't be that it's so perfect to not need any improvements. (Grip Ergonomic comes to mind.)
So, if all things equal, how does Glock do against such other, more (ehem) recent additions from German/Austria? USP and P99 are more established choice against Glock, but you can't count out Steyr M-A1, either.
What's your opinions? With all conditions aside, such as marketing hype and how they look so good in movies, how do you think they compare objectively, in terms of what they can accomplish in specific situations?
 
i've owned or own 2 of your 4 listed, and have shot a variant of the other 2 you've listed....

they all have pros and cons, you just pick which of the 4 you can live /w the most (pick the one that's the most confortable for you to shoot). Since we can't carry up here, i think any of the 4 will do what we require it to do at a registered pistol range. They are all good reliable guns that will always go bang, and are as accurate as any of us can shoot them.
 
imagine_74714 said:
Glock has been around for very long time. It also has amazing support and marketing base, perhaps the best in the world even compared to H&K, with its LE and Military contracts all over the world. Not to mention regular appearance in various movies...
But it's appearance hasn't changed all that much, even though it can't be that it's so perfect to not need any improvements. (Grip Ergonomic comes to mind.)
So, if all things equal, how does Glock do against such other, more (ehem) recent additions from German/Austria? USP and P99 are more established choice against Glock, but you can't count out Steyr M-A1, either.
What's your opinions? With all conditions aside, such as marketing hype and how they look so good in movies, how do you think they compare objectively, in terms of what they can accomplish in specific situations?
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I think you got it backwards. Glock has NOT been around for a very long time. Prior to the 1980's, Glock wasn't even making guns. When HK developed the first polymer pistol in 1968, Glock was still making shovels and plastic kitchen boxes.

Glock's appearance hasn't changed much because there is no drive to change anything. Glock is, first and foremost, a cop gun. It's a basic, rudimentary firearm that is reliable, combat accurate, and most importantly cheap. Glock's success has nothing to do with movies and everything to do with the fact that they give away (that's right, give away) guns to police departments that are willing to switch from another brand. Glock will simply exchange brand new weapons for a department's previously used guns on a one for one basis, regardless of the type and condition of those guns. They also offer rock bottom prices to departments that want to continue their business relationships with Glock. Their low pricing strategy extends to the civilian market as well (at least in the U.S.). A typical Glock sells for hundreds less than a similar offering from HK or Sig.

I can't really comment with on the P99 and M-A1, but the USP is a slightly different firearm. It is a traditional SA/DA setup (although it can also be had in DAO) that also has an external safety and can be carried cocked and locked like a 1911. Unlike the Glock, it has a fully supported chamber, which reduces the likelihood of a kaboom. It is also considerably more expensive than Glock. While Glock is primarily a police gun, HK seems to be focused more on military sales.
 
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Yeah as hinted above, Glock does have a reputation but it is in fact the young comer of the group listed. Steyr Mannlicher, SIG, Sauer, HK all have much longer histories of actual firearm production and invention before Glock even started making tupperwares(I don't mean slang for plastic guns, I mean actual plastic bowls and etc).

As others have no doubt mentioned, Glock is popular for its Law Enforcement sales because of its contract pricing in mass volume. HK tends to aim for military sale(and some police, in Germany anyway). Walther does indeed have some police service pistol contracts around the world and a previous military(think WWII) history but they are more towards the sporting crowd I reckon.
 
Yah, I have a bone to pick about the "fully supported chamber" myth.
This has been blown way out of porportion. Look at this Glock barrel, which supposedly is "unsupported", and compare it to this Barsto barrel which is "fully supported".
Lets see a "fully supported" HK chamber, and compare.
There has to be a feed ramp, which leads to some unsupported chamber area, I don't believe this can be avoided.

Glock barrel
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Barsto barrel
BarStoChamber.jpg
 
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There's a comparison picture of different gun's chambers floating around he Internet that I can't seem to find now. It clearly shows the USP having much more chamber support than the Glock barrel in the picture you posted.
 
IMO the main reason behind Glocks popularity is argressive marketing (seems like there's a Glock ad or article in every issue of every gun magazine :eek:) of course they also work and aren't too expensive.
 
IM_Lugger said:
IMO the main reason behind Glocks popularity is argressive marketing (seems like there's a Glock ad or article in every issue of every gun magazine :eek:) of course they also work and aren't too expensive.
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Said it before, and I'll say it again:

You can't go wrong with any of Beretta, Glock, HK, or Sig (in alphabetical order).

Of those, Glock is the cheapest... by a goodly bit, especially in the states.

For a department gun, they are incredibly cheap, which explains much of their popularity, there. Plus, as Lugger says, they are agressively marketeds, and their customer service is unsurpassed by any company in any industry.
 
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