....some more Copper jacketed 12 ga.Slug loads

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Was reading "Hansols " thread about 12 ga.copper jacketed slugs several days ago and did up some loads a few days ago and got to shoot them this morning.

Having gone the route load testing with Lee slugs and .662...and .715 round ball in the past months I also bought some "1/2 inch" copper pipe caps at the local hardware store.

My scales only register to 550 grains so it' s 135 grains for this pipe cap and the wheelweight "plug" I pulled out of one weighs about 494 grains...total 629 grains+/-. The Cap is about 0.704 inch diameter

Loads fired out of 870 Rem. cyl. bore with scope at 25 yards

Load # 1

Federal "Field and Range" 2 3/4 inch hulls with crimp section cut off flush.
Win. 209 Primer
35.0 grains Bluedot
Winchester one piece "pink" shotcup/wad with petals cut off flush
629 gr. Copper slug
rollcrimped

1002...971...991 fps.....2 shots 2.10 inch..3 shots 4.00 inch in vertical string and one slug keyholed sideways on the target.... at 25 yds.

Fired this at 25 yards into the endgrain of a piece of fir firewood at the range.....split the wood at home to recover the slug at about 7.5 inch depth....slug was unmarked and I will probably reload it again later.

Load #2... was the copper cap with about 320 grains of wheelwts. added to it....leaving a void at the rear of about 0.235 inch to make a "noseheavy" slug for smoothbores. Total weight is about 450 grains.

Same trimmed Fedreal 2 3/4 inch Hull
Win 209 primer
18.0 grains Reddot
2 x fibrewads
1 x 0.730 ish inch card cut from beer coasters
450 gr. Copper slug
roll crimped

939...946..902 fps.......3 shots/25 yds...2.10 inch

Load #3

Federal 2 3/4 inch hull trimmed
Win 209 Primer
38.0 grains Blueddot
Win. "pink" one piece shotcup/wad with petals cut off flush
450 gr. Copper slug
rollcrimped

910...946...899 fps.....2 shots touch and third keyholed to make it 2.68 inch/25 yd.


Tried various methods to fill and partially fill the copper caps and found the best way for me for the 450 grain slugs was to sit the caps about 3 at a time on a stove element and just added some pre cast up .357 158 grain bullets ( No GC..no lube ) one at a time to melt...took about 40 seconds per bullet melt. Removed same with long handled pliers and set them on an alum. sheet where the melt finds its own "level'' and cools/hardens.

With the 100% filled ones I will do it the same way next time..just adding the bullets and then enough pieces of "shot" into it to nearly fill the cap up. My first batch was filled using a Lee bottom pour pot...and results were a bit inconsistent .


As usual.........no recomendations here....just my testings.


...edit....all these slugs were shot with "roundish" copper end faceing forwards..
 
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I've never been interested in loading shotgun rounds but this stuff is intriguing. If a longish wad can be attached to the base of the slug by means of a lag screw like the original Brenneke, I would think that accuracy would improve. I see you used wads but I'm not sure if you attached them to your slug.
 
Was never interested in shot shell reloading either until about 8 months ago I reread a story about how in the old days the Brits used smooth bores and round ball in large calibers at close range to shoot large/dangerous game in India and Africa.
This intrigued me also and as I had run out of "project"s to test fire figured this could be an interesting direction to go also.

Had good success with .662 and even .715 round ball at 528 grains and also with the Lee one ounce slugs....

When "Hansol" was looking for data for the heavy copper slugs I figured to try it out myself using similar load data I'd used for the heavy ball loads to give him a reference/start point.

These thick walled copper caps are about 32 cents apiece locally so quite cheap in my opinion and were worth trying out.

I used wheelweights and no wads were attached to the slug..but would believe lead would be more conducive if one wanted to attach a wad to the rear of the slug like the Brenneke system does. Have not seen this type of slug except in pictures and not sure what type of fastener is used to attach the "tail" when they make them at the factory.

If one could embed an appropriate "screw'' in the melt and have it centered would think you could thread the wad/tail onto the screw. I don't know if there is some type of common wad that you can use and just ''screw '' up through the wad and into the lead base of the slug to attach it.

If you can think of a wad system that can easily be attached to the slug let me know and will try it out.
 
Okay, I figure a few people who were following Hansol's thread are likely following this one. So what went south with the other one?

So Mods are perfectly okay erasing a thread even though they do not know why? Did the postings get ugly since Tuesday?

Just curious.
 
Hey guys,

Not trying to hijack, just clarifying some things:

I asked that my thread be deleted. I was getting a lot of flak over on the alberta outdoorsmen forum, as some of the members there ranted and raved about unsafe practices and endangering people and property and a whole bunch of other nonsense.

Anyways, as some of the members there have been known to contact the RCMP over silly trivial matters, I figured enough was enough, I didn't want/need that bull####. And as some of the members there are members here, I didn't want that connection to my thread here either. Thusly, I asked for it to be removed.

Stay tuned though, as I'll be out this weekend with a chrony to check my loads, and will start a new thread based on that performance. The mods didn't do anything, I didn't cripple myself, nothing fun like that. Just wasn't worth the hassle.
 
The ABODF is full of the biggest bunch of whiner,call the cops, goodie goodie two shoes, look at how perfect I am, bunch of idiots I have ever seen on any internet forum any where ever.

Don't let them change your behavior on other forums, you have done nothing wrong, .....quite opposite your post was uniquely interesting on an other wise over hashed over hunting arms forum.

One more thing, if you would like to discuss this with people who posses real knowledge on this very subject, not a bunch of know nothing, know it all, tattle- tail' ers, go over to the Nitro Express forums. There are guys there that know so much about 12 bore rifles it is staggering.
 
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Republic of Alberta said:
The ABODF is full of the biggest bunch of whiner,call the cops, goodie goodie two shoes, look at how perfect I am, bunch of idiots I have ever seen on any internet forum any where ever.

Don't let them change your behavior on other forums, you have done nothing wrong, .....quite opposite your post was uniquely interesting on an other wise over hashed over hunting arms forum.

One more thing, if you would like to discuss this with people who posses real knowledge on this very subject, not a bunch of know nothing, know it all, tattle- tail' ers, go over to the Nitro Express forums. There are guys there that know so much about 12 bore rifles it is staggering.
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I quit posting on that forum. It's easy to get banned, just disagree with the owner or his writer friends.
 
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Hansol

Unfortunately every forum has its share of "detractors" when it comes to testing/experimenting with components and load data of an "unpublished" nature.

The Naysayers and the self appointed Safety policemen can rack up a nice high post count while all they really say is ...There are factory offerings available that are safer while you are going to Kaboom yourself '' with these type of testings/experiments. Their own actual contribution is usually nil or mundane at best on most matters they partake in on Forums' .

Looking forward to seeing the results of your next testing s' !!!

Have a few more ideas for loads using these copper slugs and hope to do more up in the up comeing week(s)

I don't know if you went out and bought a chrony.....or borrowing one from a friend...so from my experience with slug and ball loads in the past....don't put the metal /wire guide "ears" into the chrony to line up gun/chrony/target. Pretzled two of them and almost lost a chrony sensor with another wad "hit" a few weeks ago. Went to the local dollar store and got a 50 pack of very thin wooden BBQ skewers about 10 inches long and used them instead....broke two of them while testing the copper slugs the other day with no harm done to the Chrony.
If you want more height or some color to see the guides better with.....soda straws make cheap extensions.

Best of luck........cheers!!
 
Hey guys,

Again, not trying to hijack hs4570's thread, so I'll keep this short.

Yes, certain forums have their detractors. I thought my "disclaimers" and what not would be decent enough to at least have the detractors and safety police stay out of it, but I guess not. Everyone needed their two cents, and it just got silly. That's why I love CGN.

Thanks for the compliments on the thread. I'll be re-posting my "load recipes" and such, along with velocities this weekend. I'll also be banging a few more holes in metal plates, and maybe some newspaper penetration tests or something like that as well. Definitely going to be busy casting...

So once again, I'm safe, no guns blew up, just a bunch of wankers putting a damper on things for a bit. Cheers.
 
Hansol I don't know if you have read this but over on the gunwriters on the web site there is a brief blurb on how they make 12 gauge slugs (or shall I say more correctly), were made at one time, I think in Estonia, they were turned out on a production lathe by the sound of them and bagged for sale, I would like to try some out in my 870 to be honest, it would literally be a blast to try. - here is the link to the aforesaid article best regards Tony.

http://guns.connect.fi/gow/historia4.html
 
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