Some rifles I've seen advertised

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I actually posted some of this question in an earlier thread, but I think it should be stand-alone.

I've been taking as much of the information I'm absorbing from this topic, and trying to apply it to a number of rifles I'm seeing advertised. From what I've seen, it seems that .223 might be a good caliber to look at, but I'm also seeing a lot about the 6.5 x 284. So looking at the three rifles below, am I looking in the right direction? I do want to be working toward 1000 yards, but I realize I need a good starting point.

Rem 700 Sps Tactical .223.
Hogues pillar bedded stock.
center point scope 4-16 x 40 mm illuminated reticule.
$900

Savage 12 F Class 6.5 x284, NIB
AccuTrigger
oversized bolt handle,
stainless extra-heavy free-floating and button-rifled barrel,
right bolt, right port.
$1000

Or:

Remington 700 SPS Tactical .223 with no scope
$720

Rob
 
.223 - 5000+ rounds before needing a barrel change

6.5-284 - 1500 rounds before needing a barrel change.

If you want to get out to 900m (1000yds) then I would start with the .223. You will get much more trigger time out of the barrel than the 6.5 plus reloading is a boatload cheaper for the .223

Once you can drive the .223 accurately then think about a different cartridge.

Just MHO
 
I agree...the.223 is a great caliber to have for your assent to 1000 yards. I have a savage 12FVSS in .223 and have target shot it with good success at 1000. Of course with home grown loads. Never felt the need for more "power" to do what is needed to be done.
 
If you go 223, just keep an eye on the twist. Some 9 twists will not stabilize the 75gr Amax or Berger VLD. I know all Savages/Stevens will. Not sure about Rems'

Without these heavier bullets, making the trip is possible but will get bounced around in the wind a lot more. Amazingly the 55gr Vmax will make the trip no problem.

http://www.mysticprecision.com/htm/rifle.php

will cover most of the basics. There is much more I will add over time.

if you go 223, really pay attention to your scale and weighing your charges. 0.1gr matters.

However, once you get dialed in, going from 200 to 1000 is just a matter of dialing up your scope. Key to your success is making sure you can shoot MOA or better at 200yds with sub MOA vertical. The less vertical you have the better.

Once you have that figured out, increase by 30something minutes and you are at 1000yds. It really is that simple.

Jerry

PS of the three, the Rem w/o a scope would get me first pick assuming twist is ok, next is the Savage. I wouldn't bother with a scope that may not work.

If you decide to jump right in with the 6.5-284, you will have a great rig and a great price, that can easily be rebarreled and if you shoot, you will be rebarreling :)
 
armorman said:
There's one in the EE right now....BNIB. That's a good deal considering you'd pay $1530+ tax at one of the site sponsors listed above. Hell, I'm not even a Savage fan but at that price I'd buy one just for the fun of it.
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exactly what went through my mind.
 
If you get off on a hunt only to find you left your ammo on the kitchen table, you'll easily be able to find .223 in a small place. Not so much 6.5 x 284. Even Epp's, who usually have everything, don't list it.
Your options for factory ammo appear to be Norma or Lapua. Both being high priced stuff. Hornady makes brass.
 
sunray said:
If you get off on a hunt only to find you left your ammo on the kitchen table, you'll easily be able to find .223 in a small place. Not so much 6.5 x 284. Even Epp's, who usually have everything, don't list it.
Your options for factory ammo appear to be Norma or Lapua. Both being high priced stuff. Hornady makes brass.
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I am not sure but I think that it is illegal to shoot a animal in ontario with a .223

if hunting is EVER in the equation, .308,

I am a remmington guy because I use them for hunting and the guns fit me without an after market stock.

NwG Dutchie
 
Long Range

Looking at the 3 choices you've posted: the 6.5-284 would be the best. This one can be shot all the way out to 1000m. The 223s would have to be fast twist barrels of 1in8 or faster to stabilize the long heavy bullet you will need to shoot 1000m. The 223 is new to long range shooting and I don't believe it will ever out perform the 6mm or 6.5mm calibers. The 6.5-284 would be a starting point, after that you may want to get into custom built rifles, so start saving the $$$$$$$$.
Take care and enjoy Bill
 
b72471 said:
Looking at the 3 choices you've posted: the 6.5-284 would be the best. This one can be shot all the way out to 1000m. The 223s would have to be fast twist barrels of 1in8 or faster to stabilize the long heavy bullet you will need to shoot 1000m.
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TR and Palma shooters have been shooting the 69/70grain .223 bullets out to 900m accurately for many years. What has changed that we now need 80 and 90 grain bullets to shoot to these distances?

A 1:9 twist will shoot a 69grain Sierra to these distances quite easily.

Don't get sucked into the "you have to have the fastest twist and shoot the heaviest bullet available" BS.
 
I am about to stretch the legs on my Savage 12 F-class 6.5-284 out to a mile this Saturday.
I have targets set up at every 100 yards from 100 to 1760 yards. Still a little room left in the field if it makes the mile. I use my Savage 12 LRPV 223 up to 600 yards and then switch to the 6.5-284.
I would buy the 6.5!!
My 2 cents
 
nwgdutchie said:
I am not sure but I think that it is illegal to shoot a animal in ontario with a .223

if hunting is EVER in the equation, .308,

I am a remmington guy because I use them for hunting and the guns fit me without an after market stock.

NwG Dutchie
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not true, you can even take big game with it although I don't recomend it...
 
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