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Here is something that is beyond very rare. There are just a hand full of these units in private hands since they were all supposed to have been destroyed by the government after WW1. The Pederson device uses a 30 cal round roughly the dimensions of the 32 acp. The concept was to be able to convert the M1903 rifle into a semi-auto. It seemed to work OK though was not officially adopted. A total of 101,00 were made and "all" were destroyed after the war.
Fitting the device to the gun
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The device replaces the bolt
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The device installed
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Pictures removed so as to not cause a riot.

It was quite an experience to be able to fire this device as it's value is astounding.. There was fellow from the east who had 5 of these in his collection. Not many people can say they have fired one of these let alone ever seen one.
 
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There were Pedersen device prototypes made for the M91 Mosin Nagant rifle, the M1917 Enfield and the SMLE.
Thanks for posting the photos.
Good that everyone went home unscathed, given the level of stupidity of the idiot shooting the rifle. Probably would have been stupid enough to shoot the Sten with folks in front of the line as well.
 
Those pics are making me rage. What kind of example is it to kids to pull #### off like that. Device dangerous or not, you never fire a weapon with people or kids in front of you.
 
tiriaq said:
There were Pedersen device prototypes made for the M91 Mosin Nagant rifle, the M1917 Enfield and the SMLE.
Thanks for posting the photos.
Good that everyone went home unscathed, given the level of stupidity of the idiot shooting the rifle. Probably would have been stupid enough to shoot the Sten with folks in front of the line as well.
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Well, I am the "idiot" shooting...they were told to move...they blew me off and three guys before me who also shot from the same position...remember this is in the US...they were not too worried about stuff and were more concerned about a few empty 50 BMG cases. As mentioned, everyone went home unscathed and with good hearing as well. Some guys make a big deal out of stuff when they aren't even in or near the picture. No big deal!
There was fellow in attendance who has the Mosin Nagant Pederson device rifle but not the device itself.
 
MagnumPeanut said:
Those pics are making me rage. What kind of example is it to kids to pull s**t off like that. Device dangerous or not, you never fire a weapon with people or kids in front of you.
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Then don't look at the pictures!!!!
Get a grip on yourself and relax!!!

Jeez...You guys are missing the entire point of the thread!!!!
OK I will take two pictures off the thread so you guys don't have a fit!!!
 
Perhaps 7.65mm long ammunition for French M1935 pistols was used.
Pedersen ammunition isn't all that rare. Almost all the devices were destroyed, but the ammunition was sold surplus. It is old, though.
 
Heheh...to be honest, it almost looks like a posed shot with no rounds fired ;)
I mean, the 303 packs quite a blast, and even with ear protection, one feels the blast from the back. Imagine standing in front (albeit to the side!) And if it went full-auto, how many rounds were fired? The kids looked completely unperturbed!

Pretty cool device though if it worked!
 
how does it feed? does it use the exisiting magazine? any allowance for a charger or is it a slow one at a time loading? I am thinking the utility the device would be pretty limited if it could'nt sustain suppressive for less then a dozen rounds.
 
Alonzo,

I have come late to the party and so can't see it in function. How or where are the rounds loaded from? And how is it cocked for action?

Wery, wery neat!
 
purple said:
The ammo for these is rare and expensive. What did a mag full cost you?
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Wellll...a 40 round sealed box of Frankford Arsenal ammo run about $300 to $400. The owner has several sealed cartons (400 rounds) of this ammo, which are exceedingly rare. We shot reloaded ammo and only two rounds per person...absolutely no recoil at all.

The device fed flawlessly...the mag would hold 40 rounds...we loaded 20 at a time with no malfunctions. No provision for charger loading as the belt kit included magazine pouches which held 5 or 6 mags...maybe more. Original magazines can bring upwards of $1500 to $2000 US.

To load the device the mag was levered in at an angle from the rear of the device, depressing a plunger which pushed it forward locking it in place. The large grooved piece at the back of the action is the operating slide. When fired it appears to just barely move. It took a bit of adjusting to install the device in the rifle...the collar just behind the chamber insert was the adjusting collar.

BTW...check the "Photo Gallery" for "Just a little gun". Something else I shot over the weekend
 
It works like an auto pistol. Pull back on the 'slide' to load it. Ammo feeds from RH side, 40-round (if I remember) box mag. Ejection through port cut in LH receiver rail.

French copied the ammo for their 7.65 Longue M.1935.

WISH we could see the pics of it being shot. I know about dolts like that; THEY have RIGHTS and the rest of the world can just p*ss off. Saw one group that actually cut a hole in the barbed-wire fence around Rifle Range Number 1 at CFB Shilo. The rode their precious horsies right in front of 2 3-man teams on the range who were in the MIDDLE of a match!!!!! There was this incredibly-loud "CEASE FIRE!! UNLOAD!!!!" from Major Mike Mussollum and a tragedy caused by sheer stupidity never came about.

RO was Number 2 at Shilo: you NEVER saw a Jeep travel at that kind of speed and you never even heard of the Provosts getting anywhere so fast! Match went on but people were shook up just a bit by this supreme act of sheer arrogant stupidity.
 
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ArtyMan said:
A cut in the reciever.
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Apparently there was a modification to the sear as well. I don't think the MN had a bolt lock...the trigger had to be depressed to remove the bolt.
Is this correct. The MkI M1903 did have a cut-out in the side of the receiver as well as a clearance cut in the stock. I had one of these rifles in the collection years ago with and incorrect stock, but it did have the right cut-off, though no the right sear.
We had the device in pieces and there are a number of very small intricate pieces that only go in a certain way...it took about an hour and half to assemble.The best hour and a half I have spent in some time.
 
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david doyle said:
how does it feed? does it use the exisiting magazine? any allowance for a charger or is it a slow one at a time loading? I am thinking the utility the device would be pretty limited if it could'nt sustain suppressive for less then a dozen rounds.
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It used a box magazine, similar to sub machine gun magazines. It ejected the empties through a slot that was milled into the left wall of the receiver. Quite a few of these rifles were modified, and frequently show up at Gun Shows, etc. Some are marked "Mark 1" on the receiver. I believe the trigger on these were also slightly modified.
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Basicaly the trigger has a double sear. Most rifles were put back into standard condition after the war, with the cutout slot the only remaining feature.
I suppose the military should be grateful that none of them ever got issued. The drill was to advance and pull the trigger every time your left foot hit the ground. This was supposed to keep the germans heads down until you reached their trench. Their maxim gunners would have had easy pickings.
Once you reached your objective, the pederson device was to have been removed and the standard bolt reinserted.
 
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