sorting WW's

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I am having a bit of a dilemma trying to sort WW's because of some hearing loss I can't tell the difference between the sound of lead and zinc weights. So far almost all cut easily with side cutters.
I have 4 5ga pails to sort through! Can a guy melt the lot at a lower temp and sort the zinc as it melts at a higher temp than lead? any suggestions? Most have no markings that would help like ZN The You Tube videos aren't much help either.
 
1. If you are using pliers, use just the tips and nibble at the side. With zinc the should pretty much slide right off.

2. Yes zinc melts at a higher temperature. You need a thermometer so you can regulate heat. Mind you if you have a lot of zinc at the very bottom they might melt before your thermometer can indicate temp. Also a little zinc in the mix is not the end all of things as long as its under 3%.

The sound thing never worked for me either, Teenage Head and AC/DC ryined my hearing.
 
First concert I went to Bon Scott was still alive at the time. Some of the weights cut with side cutters but have a white powder look to the cut ? Oxidized zinc? Haven't found any marked Z or ZN. I have a Lyman thermometer.
 
Most of the zinc I've found in mixed buckets were marked Zn. Odd if you have none. Is it possible you've received a batch that has already been sorted by someone?
 
I dropped into a rundown gas station 20 years ago in northern AB and got 5-5gal pails of WW's for next to nothing.Also acquired 5 pails of pure sheet roofing lead elsewhere. That will be for muzzle loaders etc.
 
I do not have a ton of experience at it - lead melts at 327.5 C / 621.5 F. Zinc melts at 419.5 C / 787 F - so idea to separate pure Zinc would work - but I do not think it works if the two metals are already alloyed - often creates a "eutectic" alloy that has lower melting point than either parent metal. But, if more or less "pure" lead weights, and more or less "pure" zinc weights - a melt temp circa 650 F to 700 F will melt the lead ones, but not the zinc ones. But, is NOT the same if the lead/zinc is already alloyed - I think.

There was a write-up one time as one of the ways to check an unknown batch of alloy - melt it - insert thermometer and shut off the heat - at what temp does it turn solid? Then turn heat back on - at what temp does it go liquid - is also a process to go through to record the temp every 10 seconds or so - at the "phase change" - is going to be giving off or taking up heat energy, but the temp is not changing as it goes through the phase change from liquid to solid or vice versa.

I believe from my mining days that lead and zinc often found in the same ore - so is likely that most "lead" contains some zinc, and most "zinc" contains some lead. Probably depends how pure the refinery process had to make it. I do not know if wheelweights marked with "ZN" are pure zinc, mostly zinc or have a certain minimum amount of zinc. I have seen lab test reports for "lead" wire - their testing could find all sorts of stuff in trace amounts - zinc, copper and so on - I have no clue if .001% makes a difference when casting bullets or not.
 
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The only zinc I found in recently acquired pails was painted. Also painted steel and a thick rubbery stick on. As well as steel stick ons. One give away is the zinc is lighter. I have a magnet and side cutters for testing. Like was said the side cutters slide off without getting a bite. You might have scored some old pails that are all lead. My 5 are about half lead the rest steel and zink and that heavy foam
 
Sorted one pail tonight and as far as I can tell all lead. Easily scratched with a small awl. A lot marked P and MC nice long weights mostly no Z or ZN .They came from a truck stop.
 
While nothing outside of a proper metallurgical analysis is going to be 100% accurate I can state from my experience that as long as you do not let the melting pot temperature get too hot (i.e. above the melting point of zinc) the zinc WW will float to the top and can be skimmed off easily before they melt. I have been doing this for a long time and have never had an issue with zinc contamination. Testing with side cutters can also help to eliminate some zinc but when you're melting hundreds of wheel weights in a batch trying to determine the WW alloy by testing each one gets real old real fast.

As yomomma notes, even if the odd zinc WW slips through as long as the zinc % is kept low it will have no effect on cast bullet quality and might even help harden them up a bit.

Steel WW will also always float on top as the pot never gets even close to the melting point of steel.
 
As previously mentioned-

A pair of side cutter will not cut a zinc weight ,but will cut a lead weight.
One would need a pair of bolt cutters to cut a zinc stick on or clip on wheel weight.
 
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