Source for 7.65×53mm Argentine?

If you're semi-handy, trimmed .30-06 brass and .311 projectiles have been know to be used, in a pinch.


Always wondered in the bullet diameter is "really" .313 ........
 
Easy enough simply to make.

Resize and cut down any of: .270W, .280R, .30-'03, .30-'06, 7x57, 8x57, 9x57, then load.

Use same loading data and bullets as a .303.

If you are desperate and REALLY cheap (like me) you can resize and pull out the necks a tad on 7.62NATO/.308W brass, using 7.65mm die set. Do a MILD load, chamber carefully so the bolt supports the casing properly, and fire. You now have 7.65 Argentine brass, although the necks might be a LITTLE bit short.

The Americans spent MILLIONS developing their wonderful new short-case battle cartridge in the 1950s. They ended up with a product that was 1mm short in the neck, 1mm short on the body and a bit straighter. This extra straight bit gives you extra brass to pull forward when you add the slight TAPER which the original Argentine needs! They would have been farther ahead just to adopt the 7.65!
 
smellie said:
Easy enough simply to make.

Resize and cut down any of: .270W, .280R, .30-'03, .30-'06, 7x57, 8x57, 9x57, then load.

Use same loading data and bullets as a .303.

If you are desperate and REALLY cheap (like me) you can resize and pull out the necks a tad on 7.62NATO/.308W brass, using 7.65mm die set. Do a MILD load, chamber carefully so the bolt supports the casing properly, and fire. You now have 7.65 Argentine brass, although the necks might be a LITTLE bit short.

The Americans spent MILLIONS developing their wonderful new short-case battle cartridge in the 1950s. They ended up with a product that was 1mm short in the neck, 1mm short on the body and a bit straighter. This extra straight bit gives you extra brass to pull forward when you add the slight TAPER which the original Argentine needs! They would have been farther ahead just to adopt the 7.65!
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Some have called the 7.65mm Mauser the round that the .30-06 "ought" to have been.
 
I can believe that. Thanks for that one; I had not heard it.

It is a ballistic duplicate for the obsolete, weak, inaccurate .303..... which just happens to be a ballistic duplicate of the modern, powerful, accurate 7.62x51 in its M-118 guise..... which was designed as a short-case ballistic duplicate of....... the .30-'06 in its M2 Ball configuration.

Same old story: why use something that works just fine..... when you can spend a whack of money and develop something NEW? Another example might be the 6mm/244 Remington and the 6x57 Mauser......... or the 9x23 Winchester and the 9mm Bergmann-Bayard or........ Cartridges of the World is full of them!
 
smellie said:
I can believe that. Thanks for that one; I had not heard it.

It is a ballistic duplicate for the obsolete, weak, inaccurate .303..... which just happens to be a ballistic duplicate of the modern, powerful, accurate 7.62x51 in its M-118 guise..... which was designed as a short-case ballistic duplicate of....... the .30-'06 in its M2 Ball configuration.

Same old story: why use something that works just fine..... when you can spend a whack of money and develop something NEW? Another example might be the 6mm/244 Remington and the 6x57 Mauser......... or the 9x23 Winchester and the 9mm Bergmann-Bayard or........ Cartridges of the World is full of them!
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There's a reason Eisenhower dubbed it the Military, Industrial, Complex. :)

Grizz
 
7.65 Argentine is also called 7.65 Belgian and 7.65 Mauser, not that it matters. Your options for ammo are Prvi, Norma or Hornady, if you can find any. Isn't listed on Hornady's site, but is available Stateside.
I have proper load data. Formable out of .30-06, using regular .311" bullets and a forming die Redding makes. That doe won't be cheap. Runs $48.88, Stateside and will be a special order thing here.
 
sunray said:
7.65 Argentine is also called 7.65 Belgian and 7.65 Mauser, not that it matters. Your options for ammo are Prvi, Norma or Hornady, if you can find any. Isn't listed on Hornady's site, but is available Stateside.
I have proper load data. Formable out of .30-06, using regular .311" bullets and a forming die Redding makes. That doe won't be cheap. Runs $48.88, Stateside and will be a special order thing here.
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Why would you use a forming die?

I pass the lubed 30/06 brass through the 7.65 Mauser die, then cut to length, that's it.

BTW, same works for 8mm Mauser.
 
smellie said:
I can believe that. Thanks for that one; I had not heard it.

It is a ballistic duplicate for the obsolete, weak, inaccurate .303..... which just happens to be a ballistic duplicate of the modern, powerful, accurate 7.62x51 in its M-118 guise..... which was designed as a short-case ballistic duplicate of....... the .30-'06 in its M2 Ball configuration.

Same old story: why use something that works just fine..... when you can spend a whack of money and develop something NEW? Another example might be the 6mm/244 Remington and the 6x57 Mauser......... or the 9x23 Winchester and the 9mm Bergmann-Bayard or........ Cartridges of the World is full of them!
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It's such an amusing read, that book....so many entries are out-of-date, like the one stating "the .45 ACP is slowly beginning a resurgence in popularity among civilian shooters".
 
While we are badmouthing the 7.62x51, how about praising the French 7.5x54 Model 1929? I make mine with .308 cases, fireformed with pulled M1 Carbine bullets.
 
I bought a bubbad 7,65 Argentinian and luckily managed to bag 80 rounds of Norma SP ammo as well. I paid for dies but have yet to need to reload. I use plenty of .311 bullets for many cartridges and will do for this too.
 
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