South African Milsurp !

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Bought an over priced case of 7.62 (malasian can be had for 35 cents a round in Amerika) and miked it all and sorted it by over all length and batched it. It measured worse than dominion arsenal , IVI , lake city , IMI , FNM , hirtengerger, etc. My conclusion was that it was belt ammo. Just spent the day shooting the S/A milsurp out of several rifles - bolt and m 14's and comparing it to the good stuff. Seems the shooting verified my conclusions from measuring. I managed consistent 1 inch groups with a couple of the other brands and under 2 inches with some. The South African varied between 5 and 12 inches with all the rifles. It shot 10 to 12 inches lower and 4 to 8 inches to the right compared to the good stuff out of several m14's. Occasionally I could get a consistent group then a flyer (not shooter induced) would open a 3 inch group up to 12 inches. ITS A SHAME that thats all the milsurp available any more. Wish I had bought remington UMC . Well ,got about 900 or so rds. of 200 yd gong bangin ammo left (big gong).
Sorry John and Ryan
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I wonder how many different lots may be out there? i bought a couple cases and it performs to what i would expect of it, 3-4" out of an untuned Norc, 2-3" out of a NM tuned Norc, and really suprised me in my PSS with 1 1/4 to 1 1/2" groups:D. i haven't bothered to mike any of it, all ine is in sealed battle packs. got lucky and bought it when it first arrived LY and paid $350/k. sad part is it's almost gone:mad:
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I have 2 Norinc's, one tuned with a 22 inch bbl. but stock Norinc furniture, the second is a 18.5 inch carbine mounted in a clone sage stock.

My South african PM shoots 2-3 inches in both, where my handloaded ammo shoots 1.5 inch. I have no complaints about this ammo. As with others it came sealed in battle packs and I have only opened what I have used so far.
 
I have a whack of South African .303, and have noticed that one lot is great, the other - not so much.

Maybe they had Monday and Friday quality control problems?

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The cans i see at the shops are marked "match". Is this the ####e thats for sale? Big metal can sealed? Thanks.
 
Thanks chopper 1....the stuff at Epps, is in a metal can, sealed. allso marked "match"? Anyone used any of this? Please post if you have. Thanks.
 
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I'm so glad someone started this thread on African 7.62 Surplus. I bought a couple battle packs on Saturday to go and sight in my M14 or (305) Norinco for a shoot on Sunday and I ended up spending the hole day trying to figure out what the hell was going on.(I enjoyed the shooting part but) This ammo I bought was one of the most inconsistent ammo I've shot. My conclusion on the range to make it short is that at 100 yards I could put a 2 to 3 rounds in a group of 1 to 3 inches and always had a 2 to 3 rounds go stray like 12 inches away and opposite sides and that happened all day and yes I was using a rest. At 200 yards had the same results. At 300 yards i figured this ammo is slow because i had a drop of over 12 inches when i set it to 300 yards on my sight. I had to set my sight to 400 yards to finally hit some target. I'm not sure if this was just my luck on the battle packs that i bought but i thought to post it anyways and see if anyone else had some input. All in all I enjoyed the day shooting but I went home very puzzled on this ammo. If anyone has got some feedback or some results from the range on this ammo please post.
 
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Thanks chopper 1....the stuff at Epps, is in a metal can, sealed. allso marked "match"? Anyone used any of this? Please post if you have. Thanks.
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Was there saw it didnt like the price. Regret that cause it probably is better than the S/A. Gonna go up again and grab a bunch then test it. If good will let you all know - I still have a couple of 1000 rds of good stuff -FNM,Dominion Arsenal,IMI,IVI,Lake City etc. (No - not for sale)
The S/A must be belt ammo or the machines were way off kilter.I remember a batch from many years ago that I tried was almost as bad.The wild flyers are a result of varying powder dumps into the casings. :mad:
 
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The stuff at EPPS is marked match but it is South Korean milsurp.They have about 100 cases of the stuff I think around $575 a case. The ROK army is one tough sunova##### and I would think they dont kid around when it comes to quality of firepower. The manufacturer of the stuff is unknown but I would suspect it was manufactured by PMC in Korea before the move to Mexico. Any of the Korean PMC I have shot over the last 40 years has been good. Will let you all know about this batch.
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Got a bum steer from Mac at Epps - He said it was marked match - south korean - He wasnt payin attention - its not ! Drove all the way up and found it was same old same old south african - dont bother -12 bucks fer 20 for 12 inch ammo aint worth it - UMC is better iff'n yer norc is headspace O K .
Wasnt a wasted trip tho - got lottsa other goodies - :shotgun::)
 
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