Have always wondered this. People have always said that you can hunt with a 270 win in southern ontario because the hunting regulations say that "The holder of a small game licence may not use a rifle of greater calibre than .275". Does the .275 refer to the actual calibre or the named calibre. Because a 270 win really is .277 calibre, so it is over .275. Just wondering if anyone has actually got a real answer to this question from the government, not an internet forum answer of "a friend's uncle's aunt's dog groomer's son said..."
southern ontario .275 cal restriction?
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- Location
- Southern Ontario
.270win is good to go
- Location
- Yellowknife, NWT
The bullets are over .275. The land diameter of the bore is not. It is about .270 inches.
This really depends on the municipal area in ontario. However I would not want to shoot a 270 in some areas in southern ontario. Chances are you may kill someone. I really believe this needs to be changed to a 223 or lighter. Just wondering what the regulations are out west.
Ontario has the most retarded game laws in the world you can hunt ground hogs and coyotes with a 264 win mag but not a 30 30. You pay 50 bucks to get into a moose draw and get a calf tag on the idea that most calfs dont live through the winter like my rifle knows the ones that wouldnt .I have lived in ontario my whole life and am ashamed of the moronic regulations here
All locations have weird laws. I grew up in Ont and thought the same you until I moved to NB. You should see some of the dumb laws here.
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I should have added that I have hunted all over northamerica (never NB) and once you sit down and have a few drinks and explain to people from other localitys about how f**ked up and backwards the ontario laws are you can get some good laughs.
Get a 275 Rigby. Makes everyone happy. And you will be too. - dan
Geezuz! Again? It's not all of Southern Ontario. Only some counties and townships/municipalities. Some say nothing greater than .275 for small game only. Some say .270 for hunting anything. And it goes by the cartridge name, not the bullet diameter. Daft? You bet.
"...needs to be changed to a 223 or lighter..." So you think a .223 won't kill? Or travel as far as a .270?
"...what the regulations are out west..." Which Province? Every Province has its own rules. Alberta says nothing less than .23 calibre for big game. And no muzzle loaders less than .44 calibre.
"...how f**ked up and backwards the Ontario laws are..." Written by civil servants who know nothing. I particularly like the Etobicoke by-law that regulates bath water temperature. Mind you, that's to ensure tenants have hot water. Guelph, on the other hand, doesn't require a landlord to provide hot water at all.
Like SuperCub says, there are stupid laws everywhere. No logic to any of 'em. Pennsylvania, for example, doesn't allow semi-auto's for hunting. Another State(forget which one. Indiana, I think.) doesn't allow rifles at all.
"...needs to be changed to a 223 or lighter..." So you think a .223 won't kill? Or travel as far as a .270?
"...what the regulations are out west..." Which Province? Every Province has its own rules. Alberta says nothing less than .23 calibre for big game. And no muzzle loaders less than .44 calibre.
"...how f**ked up and backwards the Ontario laws are..." Written by civil servants who know nothing. I particularly like the Etobicoke by-law that regulates bath water temperature. Mind you, that's to ensure tenants have hot water. Guelph, on the other hand, doesn't require a landlord to provide hot water at all.
Like SuperCub says, there are stupid laws everywhere. No logic to any of 'em. Pennsylvania, for example, doesn't allow semi-auto's for hunting. Another State(forget which one. Indiana, I think.) doesn't allow rifles at all.
- Location
- Golden Lake
Speaking of dumb hunting regulations in Ontario - in the General Regulations under Firearms (page 21 of 2010 Regs) air or pellet guns are classed as firearms. Then it goes on to say that "air and pellet PISTOLS (my emphasis) with a muzzle velocity LESS (again, my emphasis) than 152 metres (500 feet) per second may be used for hunting in Ontario"
First - you would think that air or pellet RIFLES would be allowed rather than just pistols.
Second - wouldn't it be better to have air guns with higher velocity than 500 fps and therefore more power?
Unless those are typos in the Regs - I can't figure it out.
First - you would think that air or pellet RIFLES would be allowed rather than just pistols.
Second - wouldn't it be better to have air guns with higher velocity than 500 fps and therefore more power?
Unless those are typos in the Regs - I can't figure it out.
an old guy told me one time that it was the Toronto sportsman club [ or some name like that ] that got this so called .30 Cal law passed after the war
so no one would be shooting surplus military full metal jacket bullets all over the place.
Brownie
so no one would be shooting surplus military full metal jacket bullets all over the place.
Brownie
"...passed after the war..." Rumoured to be after W.W. I to stop returning vets using surplused Lee-Enfields period, but not by any Toronto Sportsmen's club. It's strictly a municipality by-law thing. .30 calibre has nothing to do with it.
As daft as it is, there's no mention of milsurp FMJ's in the Ontario regs at all. Isn't in the Fish and Game Act either.
"...think that air or pellet RIFLES would be allowed..." They are. Specifically mentions air pistols because real handguns are not allowed. Air pistols with MV's over 500 fps are restricted and there's no hunting with any restricted firearm. Trying to figure out the logic where none exists will just give you a raging headache.
As daft as it is, there's no mention of milsurp FMJ's in the Ontario regs at all. Isn't in the Fish and Game Act either.
"...think that air or pellet RIFLES would be allowed..." They are. Specifically mentions air pistols because real handguns are not allowed. Air pistols with MV's over 500 fps are restricted and there's no hunting with any restricted firearm. Trying to figure out the logic where none exists will just give you a raging headache.
The air pistol rule cracks me up. At 500 fps you better be close to the small game. the problem is, if the police see you with it they may not know the regulation allowing pellet pistols also they may want to test for speed and if it is faster than 500 it is a restricted firearm. The pellet rifles can be over 500 (which constitutes a firearm by speed) but you then must have a PAL. Just set up the hoops and tell me the rules and I will jump through. Just make the rules realistic.
As for strange hunting laws, the state of Michigan does not allow residents of Ontario to hunt coyote in that state. Ontario is spacifically listed in the regs. I called Lansing Michigan, DNR head office and asked why and was told because Ontario does not sell coyote lisence' to Michigan residents. I told them that hunting coyote is under the authority of your small game lisence in most of the province. We still can't hunt them there although every farmer who's property we hunt in that state says "kill all the dogs you see". I keep calling Lansing to see if it can be changed, I'm more of a pest than anything else.
As for strange hunting laws, the state of Michigan does not allow residents of Ontario to hunt coyote in that state. Ontario is spacifically listed in the regs. I called Lansing Michigan, DNR head office and asked why and was told because Ontario does not sell coyote lisence' to Michigan residents. I told them that hunting coyote is under the authority of your small game lisence in most of the province. We still can't hunt them there although every farmer who's property we hunt in that state says "kill all the dogs you see". I keep calling Lansing to see if it can be changed, I'm more of a pest than anything else.
I'm going to try this, even if I still do not understand I win.
