Special 30-06 ammo for Garands?

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I'm going to a gun show in Sask tomorrow and am looking for an M1 Garand. I am a novice on M1 info and am wondering if I can buy cheap Canadian tire 30-06 ammo and shoot it in an M1. I 've heard about something called ball ammo for M1's and I don't know what that is. Any info appreciated.
 
It will shoot the heavier stuff fine but stick to the 150-165 grain offerings. The rifle will be a little more pleasant to shoot and like any other well made machine, will give fewer problems. Not that it will give any problems.
Just bear in mind, these rifles have been around for up to 65 years and have fought wars, been to third world countries, been refurbished by only GOD knows and to what standards. Some, may look fine but may be badly worn internally. The gas pistons especially can be worn and cause malfunctions. There are many other things to look for as well when buying an M1 Garand.
 
This is not exactly true. The M1 gas port is near the muzzle. Most commercially loaded ammo uses slower burning powders than the intended military ammunition. This gives much higher pressures at the gas port. This can cause torn case rims, and reliability problems. It may also bend the op rod. Some manufacturers make an M1 specific load, but you should use ammo with 147gr bullets moving at about 2750fps.
 
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Redleg is correct..

Factory M2 Ball is 147 Grain. About 2750 fps...fast powder Milspec primers.

The 30/06 Winchester FMJ in the White "USA" Box and the Remington "UMC" in the yellow or green box, plus the Federal all in 150 grain are used by a lot of guys shooting Garands.

One of the guys on a US board contacted all the manufacturers and apparently they all use a powder that is a bit too slow, and the primers are not Milspec, plus they are usually at least 100 fps or more faster.

Apparently the PMC and PMC Target 30/06 150 grain products are the closest to an M2 spec round you can get, and they are apparently quite accurate.

I use fairly recent Korean M2 ball a lot and it was apparently made by PMC for the Korean government.
I treat it as if it is mildly corrosive even if it may not be at all corrosive...I will not find out the hard way the label on the box, or the guy at the gun show was wrong!

Unfortunately most older Military Ball is likely at least mildly corrosive right up to really corrosive.

If you end up getting a nice Garand I suggest starting to load for it using powders that have the attributes of the military rounds, and find a recipe that works well in your Garand to optimize the accuracy of your rifle.

Perhaps one of our dealers here can give us a bit more detail on the PMC offerings.

Cheers Paul
 
"...Factory M2 Ball is 147 Grain..." A 147 is a 7.62 NATO bullet weight. M2 ammo, not that you'll find any, uses 150's, now, at 2800 fps. W.W. II vintage M2 ball used a 152 grain bullet. There's no M2 ball readily available, up here, anyway.
"...older Military Ball is likely at least mildly corrosive right up to really corrosive..." French milsurp is corrosive for sure, no U.S. made M2 after 1952ish, Korean 'KA' stamped is, but not 'PS'.
"...use the lightest weight bullets I can find?..." No. A 150, 168 or 175 grain bullet. The latter are match bullet$.
Federal makes M1 Rifle specific ammo. 150 grain FMJ's and BTFMJ',s. They also make an M1 load using a Sierra 168 grain Matchking.
Hornady loads a 168 grain match bullet. Do not use any 'Light Magnum'.
"...look for in a Garand..." Over all condition. Dents in the stock are no big deal, they can be steamed out(steaming doesn't fix cut wood fibres), but look at the handguards for cracks and you don't want a grease/oil blackened stock either. Field strip it, if you can, looking for rust and/or pitting under the stock. Barrel should be shiney with crisp rifling. If you have one milsurp cartridge, you can do the "bullet test". Put the bullet into the muzzle, the closer the case comes to the muzzle, the worse the muzzle wear. This is a field expedient test.
Wiggle the gas cylinder. Tight is good. Ditto for the rear sight. The sight should have definite clicks when the elevation and windage knobs are turned. The front hand guard should be tight as well. The whole rifle should be tight in the stock. Trigger guard should 'firm up' close to closing. The whole trigger group should be tight in the rifle too.
Look around for some clips while you're at the show. You'll be needing them. Don't pay more than $2 each though.
 
thanks guys, much appreciated. I don't load my own ammo so would I be okay to just use 150 grain Remington UMC. Also can it be soft point, I'd like to hunt white tail with it. Lastly, in terms of quality (not collectabilty) which mfg would be best; Springfield, IH, Winchester, or Berretta?
 
"...I'd like to hunt white tail with it..." Heavy SOB to lug around, but a 150 grain SP will be fine for deer.
The Beretta's, if you can find one, are post-war manufacture on U.S. supplied machinery. Little bit better. If you find one with VAR stamped on the barrel, snap it up. VAR barrels are close to match grade post-war barrels. Don't hold your breath though.
A U.S. built rifle was built to U.S. Ordnance Dept specs. You'll mostly find Springfield Armory(U.S. Government arsenal, not SA Inc.) made rifles. Pretty much all the same.
 
"...ya never know..." Yep. There's a lot of high priced junk out there too. Saw a guy at a gun show, down this way, that wanted $775 for a rifle in poor condition. Same guy wanted $4 each for clips. He lugged the stuff back and forth a lot. Some guys think any M1 is worth what they sell for Stateside. Paid $175 for mine. Easy. It was in the late 70's.
The accessories(bayonets, grenade launcher, BFA, etc) have skyrocketed in value too. Moreso than the rifle. The 10" bayonet I paid $20 for is worth nearly $100Cdn now. Well over that in the States.
 
I would say to shoot it as little as you can with that the factory ammo. If you are going wt hunting then likely it will be used very little anyways. But there is slight potential of bending the rod due to excess gas port pressure due to the slower burning powder in the factory ammo than the original issue ammo.
 
Saw a guy at a gun show, down this way, that wanted $775 for a rifle in poor condition. Same guy wanted $4 each for clips. He lugged the stuff back and forth a lot.

I'm betting this guy was at the Orangeville gun shows? I've seen a guy at the Orangeville shows selling really poor condition rifles for $775 when I was looking back in January. I took a pass on his and ended up picking one up off 6167 that was in way better shape for $700
 
Check out www.mccannindustries.com web page for adjustable gas regulators for the Garand, when using other than standart military loads designed for the Garand. Will also let the shooter chose a gas regulator, that disables the gas system, for manually operated single shot shootings.

Also check out McCann Industries 458 and 338 Winchester Magnum conversions of the Garand :)
 
thanks guys, much appreciated. I don't load my own ammo so would I be okay to just use 150 grain Remington UMC. Also can it be soft point, I'd like to hunt white tail with it. Lastly, in terms of quality (not collectabilty) which mfg would be best; Springfield, IH, Winchester, or Berretta?

Itallian M1's are about the best fit and finish you will find. Made in peace time with the latest drawing numbers. Breda or Beretta will suit you well. Most of the Italian ones in Canada have been through Denmark and will likely have some VAR parts which are also excellent quality. The only thing the Dane's didn't do well were stocks....some of the ugliest beech wood I have ever seen on a rifle. :) If you can get one of the Italian one with the original SILE walnut you will have a very nice rifle.
 
I blew the bolt right out of a garand using 220 grain hunting rounds.
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- I got myself a Mccann plug, that's the only way I would use it with factory 30-06, I use Winchester 150 grain pp, glad to hear you're still with us, did you escape injury (because I know the rifle didn't :() I was speaking to someone who was shooting some sort of 30-06 factory ammo through his Garand, I think it might have been Privi Partisan, he said the extractor was tearing the groove away from the cases! :eek: - Elwood Epps has the Mccann plugs, from what I've been told on this forum, you can't get them from Brownell's anymore without paperwork.
 
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If you do load for it, make sure not to fill the case with pistol powder by mistake....:)
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