Speer bullets in 303 British

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With the price of components constantly rising over the last 5 years I’m looking for more reasonable priced options. I’ve always shot 150gr .312 Hornady Interlock bullets when using jacketed bullets in 303. Always had good results. Wondering if anyone has real world experience with 150gr Speer Hot Cor or Campro bullets in 303. I know cast bullets are even cheaper and I shoot quite a few cast in various milsurp rifles but for some purposes I want jacketed bullets.
 
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canpro projectiles worked really well for me but not sure they are available any more. given the upsurge in prices over the past few years, i'm using cast in my 303s for range stuff and using the regular projectiles only for hunting.
 
TBH I've just started loading for 303 Brit. I've got a bunch of 150 gr PPU, I'll dive into them once I get through my Hornady 180 grainers. I'm trying to find some H414/W760 powder as the Varget needs about 300 fps before It'll give me the speed I want. I'll also be casting and PC'ing 150s in the future .
 
I have Hot-Cors in 150’s for pllinking from my No. 4 Mk. 1. Despite being a good hunting bullet, still cheaper @ 36.95 per 100 than Hornady 174gr. FMJs from Hornady, if you can find them. Also shoot 180 lead GC’d.
 
How do the Hot Cors shoot. I’ve shot Sierras but they’re more expensive than Hornady in my area. Never thought about PPU but they’re boatail and that doesn’t usually work with 303.
 
I haven't had much luck with the Hot Cors, or the Campro product. Much prefer the Hornady and Sierra pills, which can give me approx 1 moa in a good scoped rifle. Otherwise, expect 2 to 3 moa....
 
I’ve hunted deer with fed blue box, which is a hot core bullet. Great performance and accuracy in my one no.4, I would have no problem buying them as components.

I have been shooting 180gr sp jacketed campro’s out of a different no.4 with BL-C2, more than acceptable accuracy at 100m so far. Wish they still made that bullet, or I had bought another sac of them.

Campro’s @ 100m, haven’t played with seating depth yet. This was initial ladder tests, shows so promise.
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I haven't had much luck with the Hot Cors, or the Campro product. Much prefer the Hornady and Sierra pills, which can give me approx 1 moa in a good scoped rifle. Otherwise, expect 2 to 3 moa....
That would be in a "good scoped rifle" with an on median spec bore or a bit on the tight side. Lots of 303 Brit rifles out there requiring bullets .312-315+ diameter bullets to shoot well. That's why they used EXPOSED LEAD BASES in the period bullets.
 
I’ve hunted deer with fed blue box, which is a hot core bullet. Great performance and accuracy in my one no.4, I would have no problem buying them as components.

I have been shooting 180gr sp jacketed campro’s out of a different no.4 with BL-C2, more than acceptable accuracy at 100m so far. Wish they still made that bullet, or I had bought another sac of them.

Campro’s @ 100m, haven’t played with seating depth yet. This was initial ladder tests, shows so promise.
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BLC-2 is a great powder for the 303 Brit and similar capacity cartridges with 150+ grain bullets, which is what the parent BLC was designed for If memory serves It started life as WC846.

I still have about ten pounds of the original BLC, which is a bit slower than BLC2.

From war to shooting sports​

“As early as 1947 (the year Grandad Bruce founded Hodgdon), we were aware of a big surplus of .303 British ammunition,” Chris Hodgdon told me in an email exchange. “Bruce purchased the salvaged, demilled powder from Olin Matheson Chemical Company and resold it as Western Ball Type C. Grandad thought this particular powder was cooler burning in his 22-250, so that’s where the ‘C’ part came to be.”

Hodgdon’s first commercial incarnation of milsurp 303 British powder: BL-Type, a then-newfangled spherical powder. (Chris Hodgdon photo)

Hodgdon’s first commercial incarnation of milsurp 303 British powder: BL-Type, a then-newfangled spherical powder. (Chris Hodgdon photo)
The “C” part is apparently also due to trademark concerns. Because Olin owned and still owns trademark to “Western” and “Ball” in regards to smokeless powders, Hodgdon changed the powder’s name from Western Ball Type C to “BL Type C” or, “BL-C.” Due to its cooler burn being kind to chamber throats, its smooth metering and its fairly wide application in small to medium size rifle cartridge cases, BL-C quickly gained popularity among handloaders.

“Hundreds, if not thousands of shooters won many precision rifle matches using it through the 1950s and 60s,” Chris said. “It is still highly coveted by those lucky enough to find it.” As an aside, in that statement we find the answer to the oft-asked question, “How long do smokeless powders last before they go bad?”

Hodgdon purchased 80 tons of the surplus powder and started selling BL-C in 1949; by 1961 the 80 tons had diminished by the pound and keg, so Hodgdon replaced the milsurp powder with a newly manufactured version, BL-C (Lot #2). Hodgdon claimed the new version was cleaner-burning than BL-C; burn rate is close to the original BL-C, but BL-C and BL-C (2) are not identical and data between the two are not interchangeable. Since introduction, many handloaders have verbalized the “BL” as “Ball,” as in, “Ball-C Two.”

The new (2)​

In burn rate, Hodgdon BL-C (2) is in the same neighborhood as Norma 201, Winchester 748 and Reloader 12. A perusal of a half-dozen reloading manuals, current and a bit older, show BL-C (2) suggested loads for cartridges starting from 17 Fireball, becoming quite popular for the .22s and then petering out at about the 7mm Mauser except for a smattering of .30 caliber loads with light-for-caliber bullets. Interestingly, only one manual, Hornady’s 4th Edition, listed a BL-C (2) load for the 303 British.

BL-Type was so popular that, when Hodgdon ran out of all eight tons, they commissioned a commercial replacement in the 1960s, Lot #2 of BL-C.

BL-Type was so popular that, when Hodgdon ran out of all eight tons, they commissioned a commercial replacement in the 1960s, Lot #2 of BL-C.
Obviously, the difference between BL-C and BL-C (2), as well as the plethora of powder choices today, has favored BL-C (2) toward smaller cases. This is perhaps borne out by a 1950s BL-C load (Speer) for the 7mm Mashburn Magnum, essentially a necked-down and blown-out, cavernous 300 H&H belted magnum case. The load, 62-gr. under a Speer 130-gr. bullet, if you’re curious, lists a muzzle velocity of 3150fps. That’s the largest cartridge case for which I found a BL-C load.

In general, BL-C (2) loads appear to somewhat trend in this way: in the smallest cases, it shows up under the heavier bullets for that cartridge; as we progress into larger cases, it tends toward loads for the lighter bullets. But that’s not a hard and fast rule. Confining ourselves to just the current Sierra manual (5th Edition), in one exception Sierra lists a 308 Win BL-C(2) load for the 190-gr. bullet – definitely a super heavyweight for that cartridge. Then moving up to the 30-06 Ackley Improved, only the light, 125-gr. bullet utilizes BL-C (2). In cartridges larger than .30 caliber, BL-C(2) shows up in the 8mm-06 and 35 Remington with 200-gr. bullets, and in the 358 Winchester with 200-gr. and 225-gr. bullets, the latter being the largest cartridge in the Sierra manual that includes a BL-C(2) listing.

BL-C(2) first appears in the current Sierra manual with the 219 Donaldson Wasp; while starting there and running up to the 358 Win covers a lot of territory, in reality BL-C(2) skips over many cartridges. Its comfy home seems to be on the non-magnum .22s.
 
I have found great accuracy with the Speer 150 and 180 bullets in my custom barreled .303, and in my #4 Long Branch as well.
I have used BLc2 in the past, but normally use 4895 or Varget these days.

Cat
 
I’m loading the Speer 180grs for my No4 LB and no4 Savage.
LB is two-groove, Savage 5 groove.
Both shoot respectable groups with Mk1 and Mk2 apertures enough that I wouldn’t hesitate squeezing the trigger on a chosen target.
I’ve been playing with IMR 3031 after my Varget ran dry. Next on my list was to try Win 748 but now BLC-2 has peaked my interest.
As for PPU FMJ, I found that the 180grs are long and won’t fit in mag if seated to cannelure…
But they shoot nice!
 
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