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Just wondering , I've been reading here about some really fast ( to me ) split's
I shoot a Para p1445 and I can't make the cycle anywhere near the times I have read . Rapid fire as quick as I can do with this gun has never been quicker than .20 . I'm using major ammo . So I'm wondering just how much does the gun effect these times or is it me ?
Or... are these other numbers I've read just BS ??
 
when you try to go fast you won't. Its all about recoil and trigger control. but if you not accurate then the splits don't matter. 2A's with a .2 split is better then 2 C's with a .15 split.
Like everything else fast accurate splits come with time on the range.
 
RUPZUK said:
Just wondering , I've been reading here about some really fast ( to me ) split's
I shoot a Para p1445 and I can't make the cycle anywhere near the times I have read . Rapid fire as quick as I can do with this gun has never been quicker than .20 . I'm using major ammo . So I'm wondering just how much does the gun effect these times or is it me ?
Or... are these other numbers I've read just BS ??
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Like Madness says split's aren't as important as accuracy. That being said it didn't answer your question.

One of the biggest things that affects your split time is your ability. But other things that affect it are your loads, and gun tunning. In 45 ACP you can easily shoot major but shoot a "slow" load if you have a heavy bullet. If you use a lighter bullet with a higher velocity the gun will cycle faster. This is also true if lighten the recoil spring. You can also change the trigger/sear to make it crisper and lighter "helping" you shoot faster.

What Madness may have been trying to say that if you practice you will get faster. Practice smooth and accurate, not speed. Speed will come as a by product of the other two improving.
 
RUPZUK said:
Just wondering , I've been reading here about some really fast ( to me ) split's
I shoot a Para p1445 and I can't make the cycle anywhere near the times I have read . Rapid fire as quick as I can do with this gun has never been quicker than .20 . I'm using major ammo . So I'm wondering just how much does the gun effect these times or is it me ?
Or... are these other numbers I've read just BS ??
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Of course all things being relevent, assuming you have the ability to
aquire and hit 'A's you have to look at your gun. I also have a 14-45
First thing, only in my opinion, is get rid of that 200lb main spring and
replace with 12lbs ( has worked well for me ) in addition purchase
a 'complete' drop in trigger group at 2.5 to 3lb. Now try again! I shoot
only 230 major and this gun is fast. I can make those splits........
can't hit anything:rolleyes: but it looks great on video:ar15:

Sig
 
When you have a trigger job that gives up, and the gun goes full auto, it will shoot splits in the area of .06. Realistically, you will never get this low. Practically, you will never even get close.

I shoot predominantly in Open Division. This is supposedly the tricked out, super fast division. I've finished top 10 in 6 of the last 8 Canadian Nationals, finished as high as 31st in the US Nationals and top 10 in 2 major US matches.

I shoot splits around .16-.19 on close targets, and they sometimes get up in the area of .22-.25.

My draw sucks, apparently, since I typically have about a 1.10 to 1.25 draw. Don't worry about your split times. Get your hits. Speed comes later.
 
SVISTI1911 said:
Like Madness says split's aren't as important as accuracy. That being said it didn't answer your question.

One of the biggest things that affects your split time is your ability. But other things that affect it are your loads, and gun tunning. In 45 ACP you can easily shoot major but shoot a "slow" load if you have a heavy bullet. If you use a lighter bullet with a higher velocity the gun will cycle faster. This is also true if lighten the recoil spring. You can also change the trigger/sear to make it crisper and lighter "helping" you shoot faster.

What Madness may have been trying to say that if you practice you will get faster. Practice smooth and accurate, not speed. Speed will come as a by product of the other two improving.
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Well put G, I had a more indepth reply but when I read what was there it was a lot of rambling so I simplified it. Lets go a step further, Splits are just half of the equation. What you should look to improve is you cadence, the difference between splits and transitions on a bank of multiple targets. If you have worked on your accuracy enough that the speed has come to you and you can hit 2A's in .15 on 1 target but take forever to aquire your next target, you haven't really gained much. When shooting a group of targets that are close to the same distance from you the optimum situation is for your splits and transitions to be around the same time. A good drill for this is to set up 5 targets with at least a target width apart from each other at 15yrds or so. Load up and shoot 2A's per target while counting out a cadence in your head, if there is anyone else up there you can have them do it for you, 1 mississippi, 2 mississippi or however you like. Start off slow with a second or second and a half pause in between shots, then once you stop dropping points speed up the cadence. This will work your accuracy, splits and transitions, and is great for strong/weakhand practice aswell.
 
I used to be able to get splits of 0.07 but more usually 0.08 with my old Tanfoglio race gun in .40 S&W. At least in practice I could, with acceptable accuracy at the shorter distances. With my P226, it was more like 0.18.

Trigger weight is the major factor in my experience, and how much trigger travel there is before the gun goes bang.
 
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