Spring bear hunt in Northern Ontario anyone?
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They started charging so much for spring bear in ON that you can fly and stay anywhere in Canada for same money.
It is non-sense like we are all millioners here in GTA. What are these people thinking of,pay all their debts in two years of spring bear pilot season???
It is non-sense like we are all millioners here in GTA. What are these people thinking of,pay all their debts in two years of spring bear pilot season???
What do you think it should cost to have an outfitter sourcing bait, baiting weeks before hand, likely 2-3 bait sites per hunter to ensure success, for the extremely limited Ontario resident market (where there is risk of people just buying a tag for next year and hunting the same area on their own)? I only bait for my myself but it's still a lot of work, time, and money. I'm just curious what you think you should be paying?
Honestly. Find your self some crown land. Buy a couple barrels. Fill them with food. Go back in two weeks and sit.
I've never understood why locals pay to hunt bears. They are so over populated. Every year in last 9 years I have hunted in different spots and some times in different wmu. I have killed a besr every year during a annual 4 day hunt. What you should ask is what's best way to hunt bears. All you need to do is find some trees to tie your barrel too lol. Honestly.
Every year I spend about $200 on old food from grocery store. I then fill two barrels with the food and dump about 10 packs of jello mix in each barrel to add smell. I make a ton of small holes. I come back two weeks later when season is open. Top up barrels and add more jello mix all over barrels and area. Next evening I hunt first night. Every year within 4 days bear is down. $200 food, $50 for barrels, $100 in diesel, $80 for two cases of Heineken, about $50 for the arrow that goes through the bear.
Should have mentioned I'm meat hunting when I hunt bear. So I'm not picky. I'm looking for 200-300lbs. I don't want any bigger. So usually first or second bear that shows up is a goner. I'm not being super scientific to try getting a monster bear. They are gross to eat.
Thanks for all the responds.
Chago,
Thanks for your tips on baiting.
I'm sure its easy for an experienced bear hunter like you but for a novice like me (hunt bear once over ten years ago but got skunked) it might not be as simple as I wish.
I know hunting is really depending on how much effort I put up during and before the hunt and its not grocery shopping but due to a limited schedule between work and family it is not too easy for me to find time to hunt never mind to do scouting and baiting etc.
I appreciate your tips and kinds words will really give it some thought and hopefully will bag my first bear this year.
Cheers
Chago,
Thanks for your tips on baiting.
I'm sure its easy for an experienced bear hunter like you but for a novice like me (hunt bear once over ten years ago but got skunked) it might not be as simple as I wish.
I know hunting is really depending on how much effort I put up during and before the hunt and its not grocery shopping but due to a limited schedule between work and family it is not too easy for me to find time to hunt never mind to do scouting and baiting etc.
I appreciate your tips and kinds words will really give it some thought and hopefully will bag my first bear this year.
Cheers
Yes Sir! Here's something you might like to try.... http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/122157-Just-Delicious-Roast-Bear!
Enjoy!
Ted
Enjoy!
Ted
This guy was delicious!
We ate all the meat. Shared it with four families, and everyone reported the same. Of course, it was taken with a 9.3X62. Makes a big difference!
Ted
This guy was delicious!
We ate all the meat. Shared it with four families, and everyone reported the same. Of course, it was taken with a 9.3X62. Makes a big difference!
Ted
My friend in your area I'll eat a dead carcass. I was talking about here in ontario. Any large bear has grown that size from eating batteries and dishwasher soap containers. Dump bears.
of course the 9.3 and matrix make the difference.This guy was delicious!
We ate all the meat. Shared it with four families, and everyone reported the same. Of course, it was taken with a 9.3X62. Makes a big difference!
Ted
we were one of those and it didnt last very long. very, very good and he was old.
we will try your recipe next time Ted.
by the way you can do bourguignon, gulascz anything related to stew and bear meat (black or grizzly) will make it.
Yes I gulas almost all game meat. Its my favorite thing to eat and I can eat it daily, honestly. I married a girl who came from a very pretentious family, Phil Robertson would call them yuppies. Fortunatley my wife loves to cook and loves to expand her horizon on what she cooks. When we first got married I told her you need to learn gulas. I love that you can cook anything else great, but all that is nothing if you can't cook me my gulas LOL. She now makes a mean!!!! gulas.
I find it makes the game meat tender no matter the cut or the animal.
Medved what is your background? You must have a eastern European background based on your name and your love for bear meat LOL 90% of the people on here don't know what Medved means so I have to venture a guess and say eastern European. Or else its a name that means something totally different to you and its just a huge coincidence.
How cold is it in the arctic? Its -30 consistently here and I'm just about to give up my passport and move to Cuba, I here there health care is better then ours
hello,
at airport they said -7, at home with the lovely sun it is around -3.
i dont know for the winter over here but this one was a real winter for three weeks only. we can say that for the last three winters we ve been spoiled so we may certainly pay cash and hard one winter.
you nailed for the nickname (but not from russia) lol and yes we love bear meat. i cant remember the first time i ate some, my grand father was killing at leat one once a year with a ex german mauser in 8x57 IS.
Cuba you will have to pay me a lot to go there ....
at airport they said -7, at home with the lovely sun it is around -3.
i dont know for the winter over here but this one was a real winter for three weeks only. we can say that for the last three winters we ve been spoiled so we may certainly pay cash and hard one winter.
you nailed for the nickname (but not from russia) lol and yes we love bear meat. i cant remember the first time i ate some, my grand father was killing at leat one once a year with a ex german mauser in 8x57 IS.
Cuba you will have to pay me a lot to go there ....
That's why I said Eastern European could be a number of countries who say medved. I'm croatian we use same word.
Ha I heard you guys had a nicer winter then ontario. I never thought the day would come where in February I need to take a trip to Whitehorse to warm up lol apparently today is a record setting day. Ontario has never had a February in history where not a single day was above freezing. If we were below freezing I wouldn't mind. But we have had a solid -20 and worse the entire month. My propane bill is going to be a mess.
Either sorry op for the hijack. In my honest opinion my friend I would go at it alone. I know you already said you want to go guided. But I really think your selling your ability short. Look for logging roads and your set. You can drive in the bush, camp out and you will have a more enjoyable time. Even if you do get skunked. Just my two cents.
Ha I heard you guys had a nicer winter then ontario. I never thought the day would come where in February I need to take a trip to Whitehorse to warm up lol apparently today is a record setting day. Ontario has never had a February in history where not a single day was above freezing. If we were below freezing I wouldn't mind. But we have had a solid -20 and worse the entire month. My propane bill is going to be a mess.
Either sorry op for the hijack. In my honest opinion my friend I would go at it alone. I know you already said you want to go guided. But I really think your selling your ability short. Look for logging roads and your set. You can drive in the bush, camp out and you will have a more enjoyable time. Even if you do get skunked. Just my two cents.
I understand there is lot of work but almost $2000 for week of hunting is way too much for any work.
Do you know how much work involve to save $2000 plus all other expenses just to hunt 5 or 600 km north of toronto?
There is no jusifying the $1500 and up for week of bear hunting,no matter what you do and how you feed them. Even a la carte restarants dont cost that much for five or six dinners. Never mind food for bear.
I was doing moose fly ins for $1350 to $1700 and cottage for two weeks.
Now tell me that gas in your pick up,hay and old oil and doughnuts cost more than maintaining the aeroplane and all other expenses... You guys are killing with these prices
Do you know how much work involve to save $2000 plus all other expenses just to hunt 5 or 600 km north of toronto?
There is no jusifying the $1500 and up for week of bear hunting,no matter what you do and how you feed them. Even a la carte restarants dont cost that much for five or six dinners. Never mind food for bear.
I was doing moose fly ins for $1350 to $1700 and cottage for two weeks.
Now tell me that gas in your pick up,hay and old oil and doughnuts cost more than maintaining the aeroplane and all other expenses... You guys are killing with these prices
daka, do you have idea what a seven day hunt up here costs?
Do you know what a conniption is?
Ted
So...how many local hunters you have for customers or from near by area anyways....
I came to Canada from used to be communist country where hunting was privilege to political and govt.elite and their surrounding.
Local people were happy from "table scraps" and if they are lucky or know someone to get some rare opportunity in good hunting grounds which were well controlled by govt.officials.
Hunting in Canada is heritage and tradition, not sport for rich and wealthy.
How many people around you are able to spend that kind of money in their own municipality or near north in case of Ontario hunters here. How many people are able to save that much money on hunt which was intended to bring bear population down not someone account up and in good standing. I am not talking about some mountain hunts where all kind of transportation is involved and licenses and what not.
Explain to me why Ontario hunters pay same outfiting fees like American hunters where their tags cost $300 more.
Most of the outfiters dont travel more than 10-20km and if even that much to feed bears and their gas is $7.50 a litre or something??? Are they buying steaks from local restaurants to feed them?
What cost so much??? Looks like you only appreciate and understand your costs and work.
So when i need to pay $2K for week of hunting is nothing compared to your $200 gas and food you spent feeding the bears.
Your work feeding them is harder than mine making $2000 to pay you and have to appreciate like you are giving me a deal or something.
Guided black bear hunting in Northern Ontario is probably one of the, if not the, cheapest guided big game hunts in North America. If it's too expensive then go set up your own bait site. No one is stopping you.
I guess the outfitters time sourcing bait (unless you have someone you can call up for a few thousand pounds of meat scraps on demand?), storing bait, selecting/clearing out sites, baiting for a few weeks before hand with multiple sites per hunter, tracking your bear, skinning, etc should be done as a personal favor to you.
Maybe since you and and other poster(s) have figured out that it only costs a couple hundred dollars to run a bait site for a 100% success rate you should get into the business - if you can charge $2000 per hunt your ROI will be awesome.
You make it sound so easy. I have met many people that thought that baiting bears was really that easy, and many of them that tried a method similar to your method, have yet to kill a bear. We have run six to eight baits, some baits have had bears on them in a few days, and some never had a bear on them in a month. I have seen bears clean out a forty five gallon drum in four or five days if multiple bears are using it, so we would never leave a bait barrel go more than a few days without checking it,let alone two weeks. If the barrel is empty for a couple of days, the bears will often go elsewhere looking for food. As to the size of the bears, the average mature boar will go 200 to 300 lbs, but for every mature boar, at least one or two smaller bears usually come to the bait. By the time that we gather enough food to refill each barrel at least a couple of times, and check every bait every couple of days, it adds up to a lot of time and fuel.
As for the cost for an outfitter, he has guides to pay, which usually runs around $150 per day , plus fuel for their trucks. Then he has a cook to pay, and groceries to keep the guides and clients fed. He also has cabins or tents to maintain, as well as a generator and camping gear. In the end, it can cost him $1000 to $1500 in expenses for each hunter, so to turn a profit, he needs to charge a minimum of $2000 to $2500 per hunter.
