Spring bear hunt in Northern Ontario anyone?

...Most of the outfiters dont travel more than 10-20km and if even that much to feed bears and their gas is $7.50 a litre or something??? ....

No wonder they have to charge so much! ;)

I am not an outfitter, never have been. Was just wanting to put things in perspective for you. $14,000 is what a non-resident pays for a seven day moose hunt here now. That's $2000/day. Bear hunts are not much cheaper. I really think $2000 for a bear hunt in Ontario is one of the better deals in NA.

Best,
Ted
 
I tried the do it your self route last year - came up empty. Some nice roadside camping but would have liked some success.
Truth is this year it'll be the same MO.
Whether or not $2k is good value or not for a guided hunt is immaterial for me. It is simply well out of my means. If I wish to hunt, I have no choice but to go it alone as I can't afford to pay for help.
I sleep in a car or tent, bring my own food, and $h!t in the woods. If I shoot a bear, I will be tracking it alone, skinning/gutting/butchering it alone, and carrying it out alone. If an outfitter wants to offer a bait pile only hunt without the lodging & perks then they may get some of my money. As it stands now they get none. It's not judgement on whether or not an outfitter provides good value, rather a reflection of my fiscal reality.
If anyone wants to help pay my expenses for putting out some bait barrels in the North Bay / Sudbury / Temagami area I'd be happy to put out a barrel or two for them. It's a bit of a crap shoot, but it's the best I can afford to do.
Hunting in Canada may be heritage and tradition, or at least that's how it is marketed, but it is a sport for rich and wealthy. Who else can pay $2k a day?
I wait for the inevitable confrontation with the local outfitter protecting his turf. No matter where you go you'll be encroaching on someone.
 
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I am not talking about guided hunt.
Most of the outfitters live in the nearby area of their hunting "Territories"
Baiting the sites does not take them long to travel,most of them are keeping sites steady on hay and corn.without repeating myself they are not feeding them with restaurant otor take out food.
Hunting in the western provinces is different,that is guided hunt. Eastern provinces and Ontario especially is basically sisitting in a tree stand over a bait bucket filled with scraps.
I understand the work,effort and cost of some outfitted hunts and guide part but i am talking about simply feeding the bears and having hunters sit and wait.
You wanna tell me that is worth $300-400 hundred a day.
you guys are comparing hunts in yukon or BC,hundreds of kms closest to nearest gas station with hunt in someone backyard compare to that. I went in BC and hunted there and compared to Ontario bear hunt it is like traveling first class in 747 and driving a bicycle on some gravel rd.behind a local diner few cliks back.
In case you are willing to compare the prices,compare the facts what are you doing there and here and what someone is doing for you in BC,Yukon or here Ontario.
Lets not keep repeating same things over and over again because beside gas and feed what is else your expense?
Does your gas cost more than mine traveling to work 40km one way every day? Does your money worth more than mine once it exchange hands because it looks like giving $2K to someone is nothing and is your work feeding bears harder or more valuable than mine hanging on some highrise balcony or sky scraper?
I know how hard is to make and put aside $2K and based on yours explanation of work and expense involved,obviously you guys DONT. only difference is i have whole year to work and you want to make enough money in two months season...
 
I tried the do it your self route last year - came up empty. Some nice roadside camping but would have liked some success.
Truth is this year it'll be the same MO.
Whether or not $2k is good value or not for a guided hunt is immaterial for me. It is simply well out of my means. If I wish to hunt, I have no choice but to go it alone as I can't afford to pay for help.
I sleep in a car or tent, bring my own food, and $h!t in the woods. If I shoot a bear, I will be tracking it alone, skinning/gutting/butchering it alone, and carrying it out alone. If an outfitter wants to offer a bait pile only hunt without the lodging & perks then they may get some of my money. As it stands now they get none. It's not judgement on whether or not an outfitter provides good value, rather a reflection of my fiscal reality.
If anyone wants to help pay my expenses for putting out some bait barrels in the North Bay / Sudbury / Temagami area I'd be happy to put out a barrel or two for them. It's a bit of a crap shoot, but it's the best I can afford to do.
Hunting in Canada may be heritage and tradition, or at least that's how it is marketed, but it is a sport for rich and wealthy. Who else can pay $2k a day?
I wait for the inevitable confrontation with the local outfitter protecting his turf. No matter where you go you'll be encroaching on someone.

Safehunter,

Residents up here do not pay $2000/day to hunt. That is what an outfitted hunt costs. What I am trying to do is help daka understand is that $2000/week is not at all an expensive outfitted hunt. Take a look at what an outfitted hunt for deer costs in the Southern part of Canada...or black bear in coastal BC.

Having said that, I certainly understand your point. I have never been on an outfitted hunt. We have always hunted the same as you do, sleeping in the truck occasionally, under a fly most of the time, in a tent the past few years, and every once in a while just siwashing it under a tree.

This was our first camp two years ago on our annual Spring bear hunt.



It really doesn't get a lot better than that.

Ted
 
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You make it sound so easy. I have met many people that thought that baiting bears was really that easy, and many of them that tried a method similar to your method, have yet to kill a bear. We have run six to eight baits, some baits have had bears on them in a few days, and some never had a bear on them in a month. I have seen bears clean out a forty five gallon drum in four or five days if multiple bears are using it, so we would never leave a bait barrel go more than a few days without checking it,let alone two weeks. If the barrel is empty for a couple of days, the bears will often go elsewhere looking for food. As to the size of the bears, the average mature boar will go 200 to 300 lbs, but for every mature boar, at least one or two smaller bears usually come to the bait. By the time that we gather enough food to refill each barrel at least a couple of times, and check every bait every couple of days, it adds up to a lot of time and fuel.

As for the cost for an outfitter, he has guides to pay, which usually runs around $150 per day , plus fuel for their trucks. Then he has a cook to pay, and groceries to keep the guides and clients fed. He also has cabins or tents to maintain, as well as a generator and camping gear. In the end, it can cost him $1000 to $1500 in expenses for each hunter, so to turn a profit, he needs to charge a minimum of $2000 to $2500 per hunter.

Stubble honestly baiting is that easy. The trick is putting your bait in the right place, period. I'm not being conceded at all, I have goje empty handed on many hunts. But bears I have yet to be skunked. If you know your area and know where bears are living it should not be that hard. Just like hunting deer, moose etc you need to find their habitat and bedding. Once you know this you can set up. When it comes to fall bears though they have the need to feed. I have set up multiple barrels with cameras and seen which barrels they like and when. Guys above are quoting 1000s of lbs of meat scraps. That's ridiculous. I buy 60kg bag of dog food and a bunch of packs of jello mix. The jello scent brings them in. The dog food gives them food. With small enough holes they will roll and play with the barrel for days up to a week. I usually fill two. After 2-3 weeks depending on when I went up. My barrel is empty for days but I can still see on the camera they check the baits daily. I will re fill day or two before hunt. Then leave it again. Then show up to hunt.

Scent, wind, weather etc is all still in play. But they will come. I'm not telling anyone that bear guides are BAD!!! I'm just saying I don't need them and I don't see what costs $2000 when tags are readily available and there is not nearly the amount of costs as a mountain hunt etc. keep in mind moose hunts, sheep hunts etc. your basically paying for the tag. The guide may only get one or two. So he is charging you just for the opportunity. Opportunity cost. Bears though??? I can buy two in some areas.
 
Safehunter,

Residents up here do not pay $2000/day to hunt. That is what an outfitted hunt costs. What I am trying to do is help daka understand is that $2000/week is not at all an expensive outfitted hunt. Take a look at what an outfitted hunt for deer costs in the Southern part of Canada...or black bear in coastal BC.

Having said that, I certainly understand your point. I have never been on an outfitted hunt. We have always hunted the same as you do, sleeping in the truck occasionally, under a fly most of the time, in a tent the past few years, and every once in a while just siwashing it under a tree.

This was our first camp two years ago on our annual Spring bear hunt.



It really doesn't get a lot better than that.

Ted

nice baiting station lol ....
 
There is lots of stuff to try..... The cheapest dog food or cat food or a combo of both with honey or corn syrup and old do doughnuts !!! .... And up around Sudbury there are lots ... 3.5 hours your here or even parry sound area !!!! I live in almost the down town core with a major creek in my back yard and the little pricks are in my back yard after my cherry trees.. Apple trees ...plum trees .... Grapes....haskup plants.... Raspberry patch and pear trees !!!!!!
 
Stubble honestly baiting is that easy. The trick is putting your bait in the right place, period. I'm not being conceded at all, I have goje empty handed on many hunts. But bears I have yet to be skunked. If you know your area and know where bears are living it should not be that hard. Just like hunting deer, moose etc you need to find their habitat and bedding. Once you know this you can set up. When it comes to fall bears though they have the need to feed. I have set up multiple barrels with cameras and seen which barrels they like and when. Guys above are quoting 1000s of lbs of meat scraps. That's ridiculous. I buy 60kg bag of dog food and a bunch of packs of jello mix. The jello scent brings them in. The dog food gives them food. With small enough holes they will roll and play with the barrel for days up to a week. I usually fill two. After 2-3 weeks depending on when I went up. My barrel is empty for days but I can still see on the camera they check the baits daily. I will re fill day or two before hunt. Then leave it again. Then show up to hunt.

Scent, wind, weather etc is all still in play. But they will come. I'm not telling anyone that bear guides are BAD!!! I'm just saying I don't need them and I don't see what costs $2000 when tags are readily available and there is not nearly the amount of costs as a mountain hunt etc. keep in mind moose hunts, sheep hunts etc. your basically paying for the tag. The guide may only get one or two. So he is charging you just for the opportunity. Opportunity cost. Bears though??? I can buy two in some areas.

Your advice may work if you're just looking for "a" bear, but if you're looking for something a little more out of the ordinary, you're going to need more than two baits and they'll need to be checked and re-baited a lot more often than once every two weeks. Big bears are notorious for having short attention spans when the food is gone and sows with cubs will empty a drum in a couple of visits.
 
In 2012, 8583 Ontario bear hunters harvested 1098 bears for a success rate of 12.8%... that is pretty standard over the past 20 years (11-15% annually). It is not as simple as throwing a drum in the bush with scraps in it... when I guided bear hunters, we had a minimum of four baits per hunter, and they were located for specific wind conditions... we baited each location every second day, leading up to the first group of sports, and baited every day from then to the end of the season. .. we gathered, stored and distributed tons of bait... busted our humps for two and a half months straight. We located baits in saddles, bottlenecks and travel corridors. We did not hunt stands unless the wind was right for that location... we baited regularly to create competition on baits, this got the bigger boars out during shooting light... we scouted constantly, opening up new areas and stand locations, we spent countless nights in stands and glassing, locating good bears... in outfitting, yearling and juvenile bears are of value only as future harvests... hunters are paying their hard earned money for an opportunity at a good bear... we provided the opportunity, the rest was up to them... but we always skilled tested hunters before putting them on a stand... we ran over 90% success for over 20 years but worked our butts off to do it... most of the unsuccessful hunters had multiple opportunities but either chose to pass them up, or missed.

If you want any bear (mostly 100-125 pound two and a half year old bears, which are the most mobile and active and the least wary), then by all means throw out a barrel in the bush... maybe you will get lucky... maybe you will get REALLY lucky and bag a good one... but unless you are prepared to work hard and scout smart, you are more likely to be in the 87.2%.
 
Your advice may work if you're just looking for "a" bear, but if you're looking for something a little more out of the ordinary, you're going to need more than two baits and they'll need to be checked and re-baited a lot more often than once every two weeks. Big bears are notorious for having short attention spans when the food is gone and sows with cubs will empty a drum in a couple of visits.

Exactly, and not everyone knows how to choose a good location to place their baits, or how to set up the bait and stand, so that you don't leave your scent where bears will detect it on their way to the bait. It's not as simple as just dropping a barrel of food anywhere in the woods, and having mature boars come in to the bait every day
 
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