SR9 and IPSC: Striker fired "hammer down"?

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Another newbie IPSC question.

On a striker fired pistol how do you show that you are safely holstering after "Load and make ready"? When I did my Black Badge I had a Norc NP22 (Sig P226) so I could show "hammer down". What do you do for a striker fired pistol? (none of the other students had a striker fired pistol either)

I have a Ruger SR9. Do I engage the safety when holstering and show that I'm doing that?

Also, another SR9 question. When I need to respond to "If you are finished, show clear" with my SR9 I am not supposed to dry fire on an empty gun after dropping the mag because it damages the firing pin. My instructor told me I should insert a blank magazine and dry fire on that. That seems kind of awkward. I've been reading USPSA threads where some members have removed the magazine-disconnect that prevents the SR9 from firing without a magazine (the thing that also damages the firing pin if you still fire on it). Is doing so within the rules for IPSC here?
 
Here's my take, someone correct me if I'm wrong:

On a striker fired pistol, just rack it, top up your mag, and holster. Only DA/SA pistols (and revolvers) need to be in hammer down condition.

You can use the external safety, but that will put you in Standard division. I'm guessing you don't want to do that.

Mag disconnect safety is a bit of an inconvenience for IPSC. You've got to pull the trigger and release the striker to comply with the 'hammer down' command. Keep a spare designated empty mag for that purpose. Keep it in a unique place on your kit so that it NEVER gets confused with a loaded mag. Mark it, paint it, remove the follower, whatever. If you use a loaded mag to comply with the hammer down command, I believe you'll be DQed.

I don't know if you are permitted to remove the mag disconnect if your gun has it from the factory.
 
The rule is clear. For unload and show clear, you pull the trigger and let that firing pin/striker fall under spring pressure. Period....

For load and make ready, as the poster above says, you load your gun. If there is no manual safety to apply, or decocker to apply, you holster the gun.

As for your gun and dry firing, if it's too fragile to stand dry firing, don't you dare load it with real ammo.

Mag disconnect safeties are a pita for competition shooting.
 
SR9's have an odd disconnect that allows the striker to fall but it ends up bashing into the ''safety''.

Dumb design. Make sure you dry fire with a mag loaded.
 
alpining said:
You can use the external safety, but that will put you in Standard division. I'm guessing you don't want to do that.
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Okay I wish I had the rule book in front of me -- I'm at work -- because I don't understand this part.

alpining said:
Mag disconnect safety is a bit of an inconvenience for IPSC. You've got to pull the trigger and release the striker to comply with the 'hammer down' command. Keep a spare designated empty mag for that purpose. Keep it in a unique place on your kit so that it NEVER gets confused with a loaded mag. Mark it, paint it, remove the follower, whatever. If you use a loaded mag to comply with the hammer down command, I believe you'll be DQed.
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Hm so if I must dry fire it on an empty mag I should probably clear it with the RO first so they know what I'm doing, eh?
 
Hammer down/dry firing after showing clear is retarded. All guns are always loaded and unless you are looking down the sights and intend to shoot there's no need to touch the trigger. The addition of stupid safety rules does nothing to make the event any safer.


Tdc
 
Silveragent said:
So do I have to engage the manual safety when I holster the gun? Because the other poster said that it puts me into standard division?
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I don't know the gun, but is this a striker fired gun with a manual safety, or does applying the safety decock the striker (a la Walther)?
 
Canuck223 said:
I don't know the gun, but is this a striker fired gun with a manual safety, or does applying the safety decock the striker (a la Walther)?
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From the manual it says: "When ambidextrous manual safety is in “safe” position, locks the trigger and trigger bar."

but then later it describes:

"Additionally, the pistol has a separate internal striker block which will not allow the firing pin to move forward and contact the carttridge until the operator pulls the trigger with the safety off (in its "fire" position)."
 
TDC said:
Hammer down/dry firing after showing clear is retarded. All guns are always loaded and unless you are looking down the sights and intend to shoot there's no need to touch the trigger. The addition of stupid safety rules does nothing to make the event any safer.


Tdc
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Agreed, but if you want to play IPSC, them's the rules.
 
Silveragent said:
So do I have to engage the manual safety when I holster the gun? Because the other poster said that it puts me into standard division?
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I think we're confusing the issue of safety/decocker on some DA/SA pistols vs. safety on a striker fired pistol.

CZ users in production cannot use their safety and still be in production. The same should apply to you.
 
Silveragent said:
From the manual it says: "When ambidextrous manual safety is in “safe” position, locks the trigger and trigger bar."

but then later it describes:

"Additionally, the pistol has a separate internal striker block which will not allow the firing pin to move forward and contact the carttridge until the operator pulls the trigger with the safety off (in its "fire" position)."
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Many if not most modern pistols have a firing pin safety / striker block safety. No biggie, not something you need to think about.
 
alpining said:
I think we're confusing the issue of safety/decocker on some DA/SA pistols vs. safety on a striker fired pistol.

CZ users in production cannot use their safety and still be in production. The same should apply to you.
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Okay I was confused by that too. One of the guys in my class had a Shadow and the instructor told him that and I didn't understand the rationale as to why he would be bumped out of production.
 
As for your gun and dry firing, if it's too fragile to stand dry firing, don't you dare load it with real ammo.
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LOL
My buddy and mmatt shoots production with is SR9 and after a few matches he removed the mag disconnect. PITA is right. None of the RO's liked watching him put an empty mag in the gun just so he could "hammer down".
 
alpining said:
I think we're confusing the issue of safety/decocker on some DA/SA pistols vs. safety on a striker fired pistol.

CZ users in production cannot use their safety and still be in production. The same should apply to you.
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if the CZ safety can be applied when the hammer is down (i have no idea if it can be) then you can use the saftey and still be in production, its just an extra thing you dont actually have to do
 
TDC said:
Hammer down/dry firing after showing clear is retarded. All guns are always loaded and unless you are looking down the sights and intend to shoot there's no need to touch the trigger. The addition of stupid safety rules does nothing to make the event any safer.


Tdc
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I won't begin to recount all the stories I've heard, however I look at it like this:

If I'm walking around with a gun that I treat as loaded, but is unloaded there will never be a problem.

If I'm walking around with a gun that I treat as loaded, but is loaded without my knowledge, there COULD be a problem. I'd rather go with option A.
 
alpining said:
I think we're confusing the issue of safety/decocker on some DA/SA pistols vs. safety on a striker fired pistol.

CZ users in production cannot use their safety and still be in production. The same should apply to you.
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the reason we cannot use our safeties is because they will not engage unless the hammer is cocked or at half ####. IPSC PD rules say that the hammer must be lowered all the way down when lowered manually, or if a gun is equipped with a decocker it alone must be used to decock the gun and however far the hammer falls is acceptable. So IF you have a PD gun that has a safety that will engage in DA you MAY use it if you wanted to, however you do not HAVE to use it as you are already safe as your gun is in DA mode.

In the case of the SR9 and M&P you MAY use the external safety if you wish, but you do not have to as the Glock like double trigger is your safety. In the majority of striker fired pistols the gun is only half cocked at rest. Every time you pull the trigger you #### it the rest of the way. It's what glock refers to as "safe-action" It's not single and it's not double.
 
TrevorF said:
LOL
My buddy and mmatt shoots production with is SR9 and after a few matches he removed the mag disconnect. PITA is right. None of the RO's liked watching him put an empty mag in the gun just so he could "hammer down".
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Okay that answers the remaining part of my question. I can remove the magazine disconnect and it is within the rules.
 
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