Stag-10 vs Modern Hunter
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Stag 10 hands down. Cheaper, more parts available, compared to the base model your getting nicer parts, lots of people had accuracy and reliability issues with the modern hunter. Stag 10 reviews in the states seem decent so far.
not really a fair comparison until we start seeing Stag-10's built to the same level as modern hunters and actually fired for comparison.
for sheer economical reasons, the stag-10 is an obvious choice. It is a plus that it comes from folks with a fine track record and is dpms compatable. With it's high rail though, it does limit some of the availlable handguard options though.
for sheer economical reasons, the stag-10 is an obvious choice. It is a plus that it comes from folks with a fine track record and is dpms compatable. With it's high rail though, it does limit some of the availlable handguard options though.
Definitely excited to see this as things progress. I'm a fan of the MH ergs over the Stag10 (side charging upper and index finger bolt release are two big ergo factors for me), but will give the stag the nod on parts interchangeability. I don't have the spare cash or time to start playing with a build right now, but can see the Stag being a fun project down the road; especially if a guy could invest in a few builds at once to really play around/experiment with the platform (a new acquaintance of mine is doing this and I am quite envious).
In the same breath, I am super excited for the new nr ar15 platforms as well, but still like the ergos of the MV best. Price, no, but if receiver sets were available for the MV that's probably what I would be going for when starting a 'higher-end' custom build. All in all, the availability of these new nr (fully customizable) options is going to put downward pressure on pricing up here for rifles in the same category and increase the supply of ar10/ar15 parts, and that's awesome for all of us.
In the same breath, I am super excited for the new nr ar15 platforms as well, but still like the ergos of the MV best. Price, no, but if receiver sets were available for the MV that's probably what I would be going for when starting a 'higher-end' custom build. All in all, the availability of these new nr (fully customizable) options is going to put downward pressure on pricing up here for rifles in the same category and increase the supply of ar10/ar15 parts, and that's awesome for all of us.
Yeah never a fan of proprietary parts in a modular system, though ar10 platforms in general tend to be hit or miss when compared to how universal and standardized the ar15 platform is. Side charger vs T handle is going to come down to personal preference. I like a bit of variety, but definitely favour the side charger overall. Once you have your build(s) done I'll have to come check them out and give you a chance to convince me the Stag is the winner
Yeah never a fan of proprietary parts in a modular system, though ar10 platforms in general tend to be hit or miss when compared to how universal and standardized the ar15 platform is. Side charger vs T handle is going to come down to personal preference. I like a bit of variety, but definitely favour the side charger overall. Once you have your build(s) done I'll have to come check them out and give you a chance to convince me the Stag is the winner
Ya for sure! I hope all the parts will be here in a month or two.
good schrooms this morning?
LOL. Someone needs to remake the pic of the modern shotgun tombstone with another tombstone for the bcl.
Buying a rifle that is made in Canada will make absolutely no difference in our economic climate.
The Stag 10 is the easy winner here on price alone.
Accuracy of the Stag will be 100% dependent on the barrel chosen, the ammunition used, optics, and shooter skill. The differences are in the CNC vs forged receivers, parts compatibility, and personal preference.
I own a Modern Hunter and love it. The rifle has been 100% reliable since figuring out what it likes to be fed and with my handloads I'm down to a pretty consistent 1 MOA. I could probably tighten up the groups a bit if I swapped over my Nightforce 5.5-22x56 but I want it to be light enough to be used in the field. I've currently got a Sightron S-Tac 3-16x42 on it and it works very well but a little more magnification would let me be just a little more consistent in my aiming.
I love the ambi features of it and even though I still find the side charger handle floats around a little while shooting (not all the time) it's something I can live with since it's just a minor annoyance more than a problem.
If you want to have a standard forged receiver and then build a Franken rifle out of various parts I think you can still end up being just as accurate but all the little extra's to make it a truly high end build that rivals the MH in quality will cost you quite a bit more than the guys doing budget builds then trying to say it's a better deal than a MH. CNC receivers always cost more than forged plus you're also paying for them to assemble it and hand fit all the parts as needed.
There really aren't that many proprietary parts on the MH as many like to point out as a negative.
Proprietary bolt carrier? Nope, just a small modification to a standard DPMS pattern carrier is all it is.
Side charger? If you like side charger rifles over the T-handle then it's a plus. What if it breaks? ATRS will fix it.
Forend? Nope.
Trigger is not proprietary but it is a single pin Timney which I honestly don't know why anyone really needs to change it. Mine is fantastic, very crisp and clean and still heavy enough that I feel comfortable carrying the rifle in the bush and not treating it like a bench rest gun with a hair trigger.
They will both make a great rifle but they each have their strengths and weaknesses that will appeal to everyone slightly differently so the decision is a very personal decision every prospective buyer needs to make for themselves.
I own a Modern Hunter and love it. The rifle has been 100% reliable since figuring out what it likes to be fed and with my handloads I'm down to a pretty consistent 1 MOA. I could probably tighten up the groups a bit if I swapped over my Nightforce 5.5-22x56 but I want it to be light enough to be used in the field. I've currently got a Sightron S-Tac 3-16x42 on it and it works very well but a little more magnification would let me be just a little more consistent in my aiming.
I love the ambi features of it and even though I still find the side charger handle floats around a little while shooting (not all the time) it's something I can live with since it's just a minor annoyance more than a problem.
If you want to have a standard forged receiver and then build a Franken rifle out of various parts I think you can still end up being just as accurate but all the little extra's to make it a truly high end build that rivals the MH in quality will cost you quite a bit more than the guys doing budget builds then trying to say it's a better deal than a MH. CNC receivers always cost more than forged plus you're also paying for them to assemble it and hand fit all the parts as needed.
There really aren't that many proprietary parts on the MH as many like to point out as a negative.
Proprietary bolt carrier? Nope, just a small modification to a standard DPMS pattern carrier is all it is.
Side charger? If you like side charger rifles over the T-handle then it's a plus. What if it breaks? ATRS will fix it.
Forend? Nope.
Trigger is not proprietary but it is a single pin Timney which I honestly don't know why anyone really needs to change it. Mine is fantastic, very crisp and clean and still heavy enough that I feel comfortable carrying the rifle in the bush and not treating it like a bench rest gun with a hair trigger.
They will both make a great rifle but they each have their strengths and weaknesses that will appeal to everyone slightly differently so the decision is a very personal decision every prospective buyer needs to make for themselves.
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Stag 10 without question.
Stag's parent company was CMT which is a huge manufacturer of OEM AR parts. They didn't reinvent the wheel or have to go to sub par parts when creating their rifles.
From Arms East's website:
The BCG on the Stag 10 is nirited and MPI. The MH is DPMS oem lowest bid gen1 with an American Spirit Arms inspired notch cut into it for the side charging handle.
The biggest factors for accuracy with the Stag 10 will be the barrel, trigger and ammunition. Setup for accuracy your Stag 10 should be aiming for .5 moa, 5 rounds at 100 yards capable. The MH isn't and 1 moa is what people are chasing. It's unknown why. But the MH accuracy really doesn't live up to the AR10/AR308 accuracy potential. Piston system AR308 rifles are shooting better than the MH. Some owners have gone to a barrel change for the MH and while those that did so have reported good reliability along with 1 moa performance. 1 moa isn't the dragon you should be chasing with an AR10/AR308. .5 moa is where you want to be aiming for.
Further with accuracy expectations/potential. The Stag 6R 223 rifle I bought came with a .5 moa guarantee. The only other precision AR15 at the time with that same guarantee was the Les Bauer. The only thing they did to the 6 was the barrel and trigger. Everything else was standard Stag AR15.
I would put the Stag 10 on Par with the Armalite AR10. It's better for modding or building though due to it's DPMS style parts compatibility which is the most common standard for the AR308 rifle and offers the most aftermarket options. These are good quality work horse AR rifles that are well done but don't offer all the boutique features of high end AR rifles such as the KAC/LMT and HK etc (yes there are many others as well). I mention this because the AR10 has seen combat, is reliable, built well and with the right parts is exceptionally accurate. Not as fancy as LMT etc but it gets the job done and does it very well. It's not hobby grade. The two other non restricted options are hobby grade.
The Modern Hunter isn't even a distant third choice with the Stag 10 being introduced. The Stag has the MH beat on build quality, I mean real build quality not expensive window dressing. It beats the MH on accuracy potential, reliability, magazine compatibility, ammunition that it will shoot, parts compatibility and trigger options. It's also available from the factory in 6.5 CM. Now add in that it's approximately $1300 less for a complete rifle. That's comparing a base model MH with DPMS furniture to a Stag 10 with better furniture and handguard. Is an ambi bolt release and side charging handle worth $1300? Also keeping in mind that modern AR charging handles offer side charger performance/function while also providing the ability for true ambi function. You can't switch over the side charger on the MH.
The MH was killed by the BCL 102. Both the MH and the BCL 102 just got blown out of the water with the Stag 10.
Stag's parent company was CMT which is a huge manufacturer of OEM AR parts. They didn't reinvent the wheel or have to go to sub par parts when creating their rifles.
From Arms East's website:
The BCG on the Stag 10 is nirited and MPI. The MH is DPMS oem lowest bid gen1 with an American Spirit Arms inspired notch cut into it for the side charging handle.
The biggest factors for accuracy with the Stag 10 will be the barrel, trigger and ammunition. Setup for accuracy your Stag 10 should be aiming for .5 moa, 5 rounds at 100 yards capable. The MH isn't and 1 moa is what people are chasing. It's unknown why. But the MH accuracy really doesn't live up to the AR10/AR308 accuracy potential. Piston system AR308 rifles are shooting better than the MH. Some owners have gone to a barrel change for the MH and while those that did so have reported good reliability along with 1 moa performance. 1 moa isn't the dragon you should be chasing with an AR10/AR308. .5 moa is where you want to be aiming for.
Further with accuracy expectations/potential. The Stag 6R 223 rifle I bought came with a .5 moa guarantee. The only other precision AR15 at the time with that same guarantee was the Les Bauer. The only thing they did to the 6 was the barrel and trigger. Everything else was standard Stag AR15.
I would put the Stag 10 on Par with the Armalite AR10. It's better for modding or building though due to it's DPMS style parts compatibility which is the most common standard for the AR308 rifle and offers the most aftermarket options. These are good quality work horse AR rifles that are well done but don't offer all the boutique features of high end AR rifles such as the KAC/LMT and HK etc (yes there are many others as well). I mention this because the AR10 has seen combat, is reliable, built well and with the right parts is exceptionally accurate. Not as fancy as LMT etc but it gets the job done and does it very well. It's not hobby grade. The two other non restricted options are hobby grade.
The Modern Hunter isn't even a distant third choice with the Stag 10 being introduced. The Stag has the MH beat on build quality, I mean real build quality not expensive window dressing. It beats the MH on accuracy potential, reliability, magazine compatibility, ammunition that it will shoot, parts compatibility and trigger options. It's also available from the factory in 6.5 CM. Now add in that it's approximately $1300 less for a complete rifle. That's comparing a base model MH with DPMS furniture to a Stag 10 with better furniture and handguard. Is an ambi bolt release and side charging handle worth $1300? Also keeping in mind that modern AR charging handles offer side charger performance/function while also providing the ability for true ambi function. You can't switch over the side charger on the MH.
The MH was killed by the BCL 102. Both the MH and the BCL 102 just got blown out of the water with the Stag 10.
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