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I am looking at buying the Stag AR15 carbine model 1.
The specs on the Canadian site say 556/223 and .223 is stamped on the rifle
The specs on the U.S. sites say 223/5.56 NATO chamber and it looks like 5.56 is stamped on the rifle.
So can you buy and shoot 5.56 ammo in Canada? Are these rifles different in US and Canada or is it just politics.?
 
It's marked .223 so that it can be exported, but I'm pretty sure it is a 5.56 chamber. You can buy and shoot 5.56 here in Canada, but it can be difficult to come by, and is generally more expensive than .223. The differences in the rifles are just politics. Happy Shooting :D
 
omg not this again..... the US doesnt want guns stamped with the uber scary military desinations so they put 223 for 5.56 and 308 for 7.62. they are the same and yes you can find some surplus 5.56 and plenty of other .223 ammo that will work just fine.

edit damn ar-180 beat me to it
 
dudley2112 said:
the US doesnt want guns stamped with the uber scary military desinations so they put 223 for 5.56 and 308 for 7.62.
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Can I ask what you back this up with? For the majority of ammunition manufacturers that I have dealt with have had caveats in regards to the use of 5.56 NATO spec ammunition in rifles chambered for .223 rem.

Further to this, SAAMI also clearly points out the difference between a 5.56x45mm NATO chamber vs .223 Remington chamber also.

Lastly, are you suggesting that it is perfectly safe to fire the 5.56mm NATO ammo out of .223 chambered barrels? If so can you please point out the documentation that safely supports this.

Boltgun
 
Boltgun said:
Can I ask what you back this up with? For the majority of ammunition manufacturers that I have dealt with have had caveats in regards to the use of 5.56 NATO spec ammunition in rifles chambered for .223 rem.

Further to this, SAAMI also clearly points out the difference between a 5.56x45mm NATO chamber vs .223 Remington chamber also.

Lastly, are you suggesting that it is perfectly safe to fire the 5.56mm NATO ammo out of .223 chambered barrels? If so can you please point out the documentation that safely supports this.

Boltgun
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AFAIK, it is a 5.56 chamber (in the Stag AR's), but marked .223 because the U.S. State Department will not allow rifles marked 5.56 out of the country. It is not like this for every brand of rifle, but as far as I know, all of the Stag AR's are like this. This isn't a "can you shoot 5.56 in a .223 rifle" thing. The original poster was asking "why are the U.S. rifles marked 5.56, but the same models that are for export marked .223, but say .223/5.56 on the website".
 
Ar180shooter said:
AFAIK, it is a 5.56 chamber (in the Stag AR's), but marked .223 because the U.S. State Department will not allow rifles marked 5.56 out of the country. It is not like this for every brand of rifle, but as far as I know, all of the Stag AR's are like this. This isn't a "can you shoot 5.56 in a .223 rifle" thing. The original poster was asking "why are the U.S. rifles marked 5.56, but the same models that are for export marked .223, but say .223/5.56 on the website".
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Ok, so I obviously missed a thread on Stag taking the monumental step in the realm of liability, by intentionally miss-marking a rifle's caliber, which can result in a serious injury, just so they can export a few AR's? Can you post the link plse?

Boltgun
 
Boltgun said:
Ok, so I obviously missed a thread on Stag taking the monumental step in the realm of liability, by intentionally miss-marking a rifle's caliber, which can result in a serious injury, just so they can export a few AR's? Can you post the link plse?

Boltgun
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The lower is marked .223, with a 5.56 barrel.
 
my STAG was marked 556 on the lower and the barrel.

It also had a collapsible stock and a threaded barrel... I sold it because the gun kept telling me to harm kittens.
 
Ar180shooter said:
The lower is marked .223, with a 5.56 barrel.
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I figured that much, but are they selling .223 marked barrels which are actually 5.56?

Lowers obviously don't mean anything due to the system's modularity.

Although 223 vs 556 can be discussed regularly, this isn't specifically centered around that. I am referring to the mismarking of a barrel's chamber. Anyone who choses to fire 556 out of 223 does so on their own accord. Not everyone listens to reason.

Boltgun
 
IMO- It would be good if people didn't spread rumours about a company misrepresenting a firearm's specs.


roadking56,
If you ever have any questions or concerns about your Stag just call Walt at Arms East. You might as well go to the horse's mouth whenever possible.
 
Boltgun said:
I figured that much, but are they selling .223 marked barrels which are actually 5.56?

Lowers obviously don't mean anything due to the system's modularity.

Although 223 vs 556 can be discussed regularly, this isn't specifically centered around that. I am referring to the mismarking of a barrel's chamber. Anyone who choses to fire 556 out of 223 does so on their own accord. Not everyone listens to reason.

Boltgun
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Thanks be to the gun Gods... the voice of reason has finally spoken. Boltgun, you are to be commended for your most reasonable, and responsible approach to these topics... 5.56 vs. .223 chambers, and the purported mis-marking of firearms. There are others here who share our reasoned opinion on these matters, but they are VERY few, and VERY far in between.

While the 5.56 vs. .223 chamber topic does come up all the time, the relative level of understanding never seems to budge.

For those, including board sponsors and others who promote the use of 5.56 ammo in rifles chambered for .223... shame on you all, and an invite... head over to AR15.com with that suggestion and see just how far you get in the support department...

Thanks for listening...
 
okay im not a black rifle shooter yet so whats the diff between 5.56 and .223? i thought it was just pressure and some other small things that wouldn't make a difference that much?
 
kenjuudo said:
Thanks be to the gun Gods... the voice of reason has finally spoken. Boltgun, you are to be commended for your most reasonable, and responsible approach to these topics... 5.56 vs. .223 chambers, and the purported mis-marking of firearms. There are others here who share our reasoned opinion on these matters, but they are VERY few, and VERY far in between.

While the 5.56 vs. .223 chamber topic does come up all the time, the relative level of understanding never seems to budge.

For those, including board sponsors and others who promote the use of 5.56 ammo in rifles chambered for .223... shame on you all, and an invite... head over to AR15.com with that suggestion and see just how far you get in the support department...

Thanks for listening...
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Before a lynch mob gathers, maybe someone should look for some proof other than someone's AFAIK statement.
 
Boltgun said:
I figured that much, but are they selling .223 marked barrels which are actually 5.56?
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No, not as far as I know.

That was not what I meant when I said it was marked .223. "It" meant the receiver (legally the rifle), which as you said, means nothing (but the State Department cares). If the barrel is marked .223, I would not advise shooting a 5.56 in it, but AFAIK, all Stag barrels are 5.56 and marked as such.
 
If anyone has any questions about ammo in their Stag Arms please give us a call.

But, Boltgun, leaving Stag Arms entirely out of it and just taking your statement at face value...

What possible dangerous situation are you suggesting could result from a 223 chamber actually being closer to (or even being) a 556 spec chamber? How could this lead to "serious injury" Ie, assuming your chamber was 223Rem, but actually is 556.

Did you maybe misread and have the situations reversed?
 
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