Steel penetrator pistol ammo

[Armedsask]

The so called "Cop Killers". Used by RCMP special units.

What is the ammo that looks like a hollow point but there is a small steel penetrator inside the bullet. Legalities?

It is 9mm and the bottom is marked "F C 9MM LUGER".

Hypothetically. I saw them in a movie.

 

[Cavs42]

sounds like Federal Hydra-Shock. The post inside is lead not steel. At least that's what popped into my head froom your description.

 

[dudu]

If I remember correctly they are called flechette(s) and they are prohibited.

 

[B]

Sounds like Hydra Shok ammo.

 

[Teapot]

Shame on the RCMP. Rules for some and rules for others. I suppose they belong in the "more equal than others" category.

 

[tim_up_north]

Hydra-Shock

Nothing special...gimmickie HP ammo.

As legal as any other HP you can buy.

And I thought RCMP used REM. Golden Saber?

 

[SandRoad]

If I remember correctly they are called flechette(s) and they are prohibited.

Nope, flechettes are 1 to 1 1/2 inch long steel "darts" with little fins at the rear. Multiple flechettes were to be loaded in grenade shells or shotgun shells.

 

[gushulak]

Federal Hydra-Shok, the internal post is lead, just like the bullet internals, it converts internal fluid pressure to the inner walls of the hollowpoint cavity to help the bullet mushroom. 1980's technology.

 

[tigrr]

Years ago, early 80's there was a bullet produced with a tungsten dart inside it. The dart would continue through armor after the outer part of the bullet stopped.
Don't recall the name though. Found it, but its not pistol. scroll down to Armor piercing
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/rifle/556mm_ammo.html

The cartridge is used by the M249 machine gun and the M16A2/A3/A4 and M4-series weapons. Procurement is intended for use against current and future light armored targets. The M995 offers the capability to defeat these targets at ranges 2 to 3 times that of currently available 5.56mm ammunition.

The cartridge consists of a projectile and a propelling charge contained in a brass cartridge case to which the projectile is secured. The projectile consists of a dense metal penetrator (tungsten carbide), which is enclosed by a standard gilding metal jacket. An aluminum cup sits at the rear of the projectile for the purpose of properly locating the penetrator within the projectile. The cartridge utilizes a conventional brass case and double base propellant. A standard rifle cartridge primer is used in the case to initiate the propelling charge.

The penetrator is similar to components used in other small caliber cartridges currently used by the US Army, but tungsten has better penetration capabilities than the other materials and is the design feature, which enhances the armor piercing capability of the cartridge.

This cartridge is identified by black bullet tip identification paint.

 

[Canuck223]

Years ago, early 80's there was a bullet produced with a tungsten dart inside it. The dart would continue through armor after the outer part of the bullet stopped.
Don't recall the name though.
Oh and if you get caught with some of them you go directly to jail!!!

Oh ####, not this #### again!

 

[Longshot]

Never heard of it and I doubt it was much more than a story.Sounds a lot like all the hype the "Black Talon" got when it first came around.Cop Killer and easilly defeats body armour were a few things it got called.Everyone thought the black teflon coating made it go through kevlar.In reality it was to prevent fouling a lot like moly coating.It had nothing to do with penetration.The RCMP was using the Talon when all the hype came around,so winchester simply took the black coating off and changed the name to SXT.Still a great hollow point today.
The one described by Armed is definately the Hydrashock though.Like someone said its 80's technology.
The closest thing to an armour piercing round today would be the original round for the P90 which could in theory be fired from the 5 Seven pistol.In a military demo I personally saw it shoot through 48 layers of kevlar and 1/8 inch sheet of titanium at 100m.
Also 7.62 x 25 supposedly had some good penetration qualities.

 

[Armedsask]

The one described by Armed is definately the Hydrashock though.Like someone said its 80's technology.

They were given to me by an Ex-RCMP member. His description was that it was a steel penetrator and the bullets were "cop killers".

I figured they would turn out to be something benign.

 

[Longshot]

Another example of how little most cops know about the guns and ammo they are issued.

 

[CanAm]

The French designed an AP round in the 70's. Very effective. The THV. Copies are made in several countries.

Terminal tests:

http://www.brassfetcher.com/9x19mm Slovakian 71gr THV bullet-resistant vest evaluation.html

 

[RePete]

sounds like Federal Hydra-Shock. The post inside is lead not steel. At least that's what popped into my head froom your description.

Correct. I have some in 9mm and .357 Mag.

If I remember correctly they are called flechette(s) and they are prohibited.

Wrong.

Nope, flechettes are 1 to 1 1/2 inch long steel "darts" with little fins at the rear. Multiple flechettes were to be loaded in grenade shells or shotgun shells.

Correct. I have some flechette's. the flechette's aren't illegal just the loaded ammo.

Years ago, early 80's there was a bullet produced with a tungsten dart inside it. The dart would continue through armor after the outer part of the bullet stopped.
Don't recall the name though.
Oh and if you get caught with some of them you go directly to jail!!!

Called a SLAP round.

There is a French design bullet called the Arcane. From the case mouth it goes to a point, like a pencil. These rounds aren't illegal either.

The second round in, is the original Arcane.

The one's shown by CanAm are the newer designed Arcane bullet.

 

[arancio]

Armor piercing rounds are very easy to make up. All one needs is a drill press, drill bits (new and old) and a little mercury. Too easy.

 

[Bishopus]

Armor piercing rounds are very easy to make up. All one needs is a drill press, drill bits (new and old) and a little mercury. Too easy.

Really? Doesn't the lead core dissolve in the liquid mercury?

 

[Canuck223]

Called a SLAP round.

The SLAP project was for rifles, not pistols. It was a saboted .50 BMG or 7.62 NATO round featuring a tungsten projectile. The 7.62 NATO project produced less than acceptable results in the M60 system and was abandoned, but the .50 BMG round was put into service.

 

[B]

Armor piercing rounds are very easy to make up. All one needs is a drill press, drill bits (new and old) and a little mercury. Too easy.

I cringe when people say to add mercury to bullets. I have heard it dozens of times in the 15 years I have been into firearms. Where did such a silly idea come from??

 

[tenexx]

The only real cop killer rounds that I know of were the Cyclone that were developed on the work of Abe Flatau. The cyclones were similar to the PMC ultramags but instead of a brass or copper ring airfoil surrounded by lead and brass, the cyclone used a steel cylinder that had a hacksaw profile at the top of the steel cylinder and was quite successful in penetrating Kevlar. The steel "hacksaw tip had to be covered in nylon to prevent chewing up feed ramps.

The only problem was these rounds were LEO only and only in the US. The reason I label them as cop-killers as the BATFE had some Blue on Blue incidents with them