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Looks like Spencer has sorted out his manufacturing issues and will be up and running soon. I put an order in for my second! I hate that there has been so much discord amongst members here over the open bolt/closed bolt contraversy, but as far as I am concerned, it's a great clone and fun to shoot and that's what counts to me. Now that things will be resolved, it will give others a chance to have fun with them as well.

I have been looking for original mags, but haven't had much luck finding them. Does anyone have a source in Canada I can try??

thanks!
 
Surely Spencer can supply you with magazines.
It will be some time before his latest version is examined and a determination made on whether or not it is acceptable. In the meantime, his guns are still prohibited. In the event that the lastest version is classified as restricted, have you made arrangements to have him rework your gun? Until the reclassification is official, its a bit premature to be shilling his guns.
Just out of curiousity, what sort of ATT do you have that allows you to take a prohibited firearm to a range?
 
Spencer may have had some dialog with the CFC people, but as Tiraq points out, his guns are not approved at this point. The approval is only half his battle, he still has to rely on parts and kits that he smuggles out of the US. The guy is still bad news, don't think that after NWEST/BATF teams deal with his importation methods that they won't trace through his customer list.
 
Well, Spencer has denied that his parts kits, etc, are coming from the US.
Surely the ex-Finn Mk. III parts sets he uses can be obtained elsewhere, and he will have the paperwork handy when NWEST checks.
 
tiriaq said:
Well, Spencer has denied that his parts kits, etc, are coming from the US.
Surely the ex-Finn Mk. III parts sets he uses can be obtained elsewhere, and he will have the paperwork handy when NWEST checks.
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I don't know where he got his parts from previously, but he has three palette loads of sten parts coming from Greece right now, they should arrive in Sask next month.

He is building me one of these with a loop stock.

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Ya gotta give the man credit - he doesn't have a legal design, and he is bringing in a load of material.

Incidentally, if he is able to make a bottomfeeder for you, insist that a functional Mk. V cocking handle be fitted. This is a real safety issue. Also, don't ever fire it from the hip, only from the shoulder. Sooner or later a casehead will be blown, and you do not want your face above the breech when this happens. Most bottom feeding guns eject out to the right, so a right handed shooter is protected.
 
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Here is a thought.
The only non-prohibited Sten type gun is the SAS3, which he despises.
Spencer doesn't have an approved design - one that is not prohibited.
He has three pallets of machinegun parts coming. Three pallets of parts for prohibited firearms.
If there is any delay in approval of his latest version, he is going to have serious importation problems with the CBSA.
 
For those who do not know the background to this, Spencer / ######## who for some obscure reason is banned from CGN has a manufacturers license to build stens in Saskatchewan. When his designs were classed as prohib he took the CFC to court. At the final wire the CFC backed down and agreed to talk. The CFC/FRT group accepted in the courtroom that Spencers latest open bolt design modification will make the gun acceptable for restricted classification. As a result of this Spencer agreed to to drop his court challenge to their previous ruling.

Canadian built restricted open bolt stens will soon be for sale in Canada. Long barrel non restricted versions will follow.

This opens the door for others to submit their own open bolt stens for inspection knowing that open bolt designs can be approved.

Spencer has been vindicated, he deserves better than the disrespect shown here.
 
I had a chance to discuss with "Spencer" , polite and helpful. I am quite excited about his Sten production anyways. From what i have been told by him, czechitout pretty much covers it. I hope his production works out all good, i wouldn't mind one of his non-restricted (long barrel) stens, if he can get then classified as such :D.
 
czechitout said:
For those who do not know the background to this, Spencer / ######## who for some obscure reason is banned from CGN has a manufacturers license to build stens in Saskatchewan. When his designs were classed as prohib he took the CFC to court. At the final wire the CFC backed down and agreed to talk. The CFC/FRT group accepted in the courtroom that Spencers latest open bolt design modification will make the gun acceptable for restricted classification. As a result of this Spencer agreed to to drop his court challenge to their previous ruling.

Canadian built restricted open bolt stens will soon be for sale in Canada. Long barrel non restricted versions will follow.

This opens the door for others to submit their own open bolt stens for inspection knowing that open bolt designs can be approved.

Spencer has been vindicated, he deserves better than the disrespect shown here.
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Well, that's one version....:rolleyes:
The story will probably get better every time Spencer tells it.

If you want one of Spencer's guns, keep an eye on his website. Once he has an approved version available for transfer, he will announce it.
Or, contact the RCMP in Ottawa, to determine if there is a valid FRT number for his design.
 
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Its nice to see that some people see something wrong and actually do something about it, instead of just #####ing about how it can't be done on an internet forum. Spencer has been nothing but helpful informative in our emails. It is very disappointing that some negative nancies have nothing better to do than slag him down and snitch to get him banned. Hasn't anyone ever heard of constructive criticism?
 
revilo said:
Its nice to see that some people see something wrong and actually do something about it, instead of just #####ing about how it can't be done on an internet forum. Spencer has been nothing but helpful informative in our emails. It is very disappointing that some negative nancies have nothing better to do than slag him down and snitch to get him banned. Hasn't anyone ever heard of constructive criticism?
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interesting....:wave:
 
Definitely something to watch for. I would love to get my hands on a legal Sten Mark V copy. Plus, Spencer was great to deal with when I bought two Mini 14 5/30 round mags from him.
 
I personally have nothing against Spencer and support him in his quest to get an open bolt semi-auto sten design excepted. If the war is won it is good for all of us who think the SAS design is not up to the job of providing a reliable semi-auto sten. Hopefully thing will start to move forward now
 
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I can't understand why anyone should have anything against him.
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I must say you are sounding more and more like Spencer all the time Czech.

Other than he is an obnoxious twit, he flouts many of the rules of this board as well as the import/export regs. If you want to see a site like gunutz continue, it must police itself with respect to guys who smuggle their wares in and then flog it to anyone. He has based his entire business on parts and kits that are improperly imported. He initially tried to sell his earliest creations through a shill dealer out of the US. He has mis-registered some of his early creations in order to keep them below the radar of the CFC. He has made claims as to the legality of his guns when in fact they had never been tested by the CFC. When that legality was established (prohibited) , it was his customers who are left holding the bag. He fires his restricted/prohibited creations in his front yard and posts photos onto this site for all to see. And he deceives Americans into selling him the parts, telling them that it's OK to sell them to him, when he knows full well the implications that the US citizens are under for the improper export.

His actions resulted in the FRT for one of my guns being placed under review, along with a host of others. As to the ref hearing that got stopped, that was not a vindication of all his efforts; he is not any further at this point than he was 6 months ago wrt having a gun accepted by the CFC. Even his latest creation could be converted to a full auto in a matter of minutes. A hole drilled through the sideplate of an open bolt gun with a simple one piece sear like the sten can allow the sear to be manipulated manually. A simple extension of the cocking slot to the end of the receiver will allow the bolt to still be removed and modified.

Personally, I am not quite in the Spencer fan club quite yet. If he manages to get his open bolt version approved, good for him. But that is only one of the many obstacles before I become a fan.

I am surprised this whole thread hasn't been bumped into the off topics forum, or locked altogether. It has little to do with milsurps.
 
He took them to court and got what he wanted, if that's not vindication what is ?

As for your claims of illegal activities where is your proof, do you really know what he is licensed to do, or is this just another guess ?

Most guns can be converted one way or another including your closed bolt "creation". Maybe that's why it's under review.

Until it was hijacked this thread was about stens being available.
 
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