Hey, if I remember correctly my cooey junior was virtually full stock size, just a slightly downsized barrell was hard to #### and had a dog of a trigger pull. But as a first no actually second [16 G single SHURSHOT first] I was thrilled and often managed to fire at least 100 rnds a week. If you are worried about LOP and you find a decent used rifle at a good price alter it by shortening the stock, it may be worth it. These are tools--- thousands have been made and unless it's a historic or a one off it isn't a crime--just get the kid going, it's a lifetime of fun. I still have both, but they'd never be first off the rack again but part with them, no thanks.