Steyr-Mannlicher (U.S. bans exports)

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Hi folks........ :)

Although it doesn't personally affect me, I know there's a diversity of collector interests here on CGN, so I thought I'd post this thread about a recent U.S. Government ruling that could impact Steyr-Mannlicher collectors who might think about importing old milsurps from the U.S.

Someone in Canada bought a 1956 Steyr-Mannlicher carbine from a seller in the U.S. and wanted to import it to Canada. They had their U.S. FFL dealer apply for the standard export certificate to permit it to leave the U.S. The application was rejected and permanently denied with no recourse available.

Here's what State Department issued on the denial:

“It is the policy of the United States to deny all munitions export licenses applications for commodities originating from Steyr-Mannlicher Gmbh (Austria) and any successor, sub-unit, or subsidiary thereof (Public Notice 5257, Federal Register – December 30, 2005).”

So, in English, if you ever look at buying a Steyr-Mannlicher rifle that you see in the U.S., the State Department will not approve export permits for any products from this company (or any subsidiary, new entity, etc. originating from the original Mannlicher (Austria), etc.).

I have no idea what they did to antagonize the U.S. and I doubt that a 1956 carbine is a terrorist threat, but possibly they were selling their modern equipment to the wrong folks. If anyone knows why, I'd certainly be interested in hearing the story.

It's too bad and this could be a trend in the challenges of importing old milsurps (and parts) from the U.S. The shortage of quality collector material in Canada is growing and I've found that with few exceptions, the really interesting pieces need to be purchased from outside of Canada and imported. I've imported from Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, the UK and of course, the U.S. Ironically, the closest and supposedly our greatest ally poses the most challenges to import from. It's not Canadian Customs or our Department of Import/Export that's the issue, but rather the U.S. State Department's increasing export restrictions.

By the way, a plug for one of CGN's supporting dealers. Questar in Barrie, Ontario (click here)http://www.questar.ca/ provide complete "cradle to grave" importation services from the U.S. You simply buy the firearm, send them the seller's information and they provide the seller with their FFL dealer licensing information and instructions on where to ship the firearm after you've paid for it. They do the U.S. State Department application, the Canadian Import Certificate application, the CFC ownership transfer and ship the imported firearm directly to your doorstep. Mark at Questar provides outstanding service and maintains a high level of communications with you during the entire process, to ensure you know exactly what's the status of your firearm and where it is. I'd highly recommend them if you're thinking about buying any firearm from the U.S.

Regards,
Badger
 
You might find these measures excesive, because you don't fully understand how dangerous a terrorist can be with a 1895 carbine. His choices are to either use it as a club or fix the bayo, cause he ain't going to find any ammo. I wonder if they still let them into the US? If they are really pissed, you would think they are in a hurry to get rid of what ever they got.
 
steyr sells 50 cal guns to countreis the us wont such as the evil and dangerous...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................CANADA
 
I think it was in response to Steyr seling it's 50 cals to Iran, who wanted to defend their homeland against future invaders (the USA in particular). Steyr said that they would consider not selling anymore to Iran if the US opened up it's market more to Steyr. Guess the US had other ideas.
Pissing off collectors of old guns should really make the world safer.
 
Funny how the US has been supplying "terrorist groups/countries" for years, and now when someone else does the exact same thing, they get upset.

Thats they way the world works. Full o' hypocrites. Didnt Germany used to sell G3's to Iran? I have seen a lot of pictures where there are G3's in the hands of the militia.
 
f_soldaten04 said:
Thats they way the world works. Full o' hypocrites. Didnt Germany used to sell G3's to Iran? I have seen a lot of pictures where there are G3's in the hands of the militia.

They got the license to build them before 1979.
 
It was indeed their sales to Iran. The following is part of the preamble from the US bulletin:

SUMMARY: A determination has been made that nine entities have engaged in activities that require the imposition of measures pursuant to section 3 of the Iran Nonproliferation Act of 2000, which provides for penalties on entities for the transfer to Iran since January 1, 1999, of equipment and technology controlled under multilateral export control lists (Missile Technology Control Regime, Australia Group, Chemical Weapons Convention, Nuclear Suppliers Group, Wassenaar Arrangement) or otherwise having the potential to make a material contribution to the development of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) or cruise or ballistic missile systems. The latter category includes (a) items of the same kind as those on multilateral lists, but falling below the control list parameters, when it is determined that such items have the potential of making a material contribution to WMD or cruise or ballistic missile systems, (b) other items with the potential of making such a material contribution, when added through case-by-case decisions, and (c) items on U.S. national control lists for WMD/missile reasons that are not on multilateral lists.

After all, the US doesn't like competition in it's arms sales. The restrictions placed against Steyr (and 8 other companies) is as follows:
Accordingly, pursuant to the provisions of the Act, the following measures are imposed on these entities:
1. No department or agency of the United States Government may procure, or enter into any contract for the procurement of, any goods, technology, or services from these foreign persons;
2. No department or agency of the United States Government may provide any assistance to the foreign persons, and these persons shall not be eligible to participate in any assistance program of the United States Government;
3. No United States Government sales to the foreign persons of any item on the United States Munitions List (as in effect on August 8, 1995) are permitted, and all sales to these persons of any defense articles, defense services, or design and construction services under the Arms Export Control Act are terminated; and,
4. No new individual licenses shall be granted for the transfer to these foreign persons of items the export of which is controlled under the Export Administration Act of 1979 or the Export Administration Regulations, and any existing such licenses are suspended.

These measures shall be implemented by the responsible departments and agencies of the United States Government and will remain in place for two years from the effective date, except to the extent that the Secretary of State or Deputy Secretary of State may subsequently determine otherwise. A new determination will be made in the event that circumstances change in such a manner as to warrant a change in the duration of sanctions.

Dated: December 21, 2005.
 
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Selling .50 cal sniping rifles to nut cases who boast about destroying the U.S. does tend to irritate us. Ya want a Steyr rifle? Import it from Germany! Otherwise, quityer#####in!
 
Steyr could not care less, that US do not allow reexport of their old milsurps.

BTW, the language of the restrictions against Steyr, quoted above, does not have anything to do with individual collectors - the guns neither originate from Steyr, nor Steyr is the recipient of them. Someone is using the restrictions too broadly.
 
John Sukey said:
Selling .50 cal sniping rifles to nut cases who boast about destroying the U.S. does tend to irritate us. Ya want a Steyr rifle? Import it from Germany! Otherwise, quityer#####in!
Are you just as irritated when the US government is selling weapons to nutcases? Let's see, the Taliban in Afghanista, Saddam in Iraq, the Iran Contra affair, Airplanes to Egypt, etc., etc, subsidizing such policies with taxpayer money. If so, you must have a constantly irrated state :)

It's not that we have something against the US, after all we are as best friends as two countries will ever get, yes? However we know enough to recognize hypocracy when we see it and we tend to get irritated when being told to look the other way as we are getting scre*** :eek:
 
Where can a country at war buy weapons from?

US , Russia, Germany, England, France...Ukraine, Romania......
Some are easier to control with diplomatic measures.....
Some want a bigger piece of the action.

1. One does not want to help the losing side.
2. The winner was always right in history.
3. everyone else in the game does the same.
4. anyone wishing they were bordering Mother Russia .... too bad for you haven't lived it.
5. the enemy is not "nutcase". they are trained to kill you.
6. all the canadians thinking that " you can't fight a charriot with a tank" is a good motto, remember this.... I was in a situation when the enemy had such superior armament that we couldn't have done nothing to destroy them. I am alive today because thay didn't atttack (no, they were not americans). Nothing was more demoralizing than this. something like the Tiger tank episode.
7. who needs german weaponery? the trend on a poll from a few months ago showed that we'd rather customize our own than buy theirs... :rolleyes: . (I didn't vote likewise).

We're Canadians. The name defines us without the liberal addagio of "we're a country that's not America".

I love GW Bush.:cool:
 
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1. I know they are commonly called Steyr rifles, but were all M95's made at Steyr, or were other arsenals in the empire producing them?

2. We are talking about first world war rifles. Is it really still the same company?
 
Quiet said:
1. I know they are commonly called Steyr rifles, but were all M95's made at Steyr, or were other arsenals in the empire producing them?

2. We are talking about first world war rifles. Is it really still the same company?

They were a Mannlicher design, and made by Steyr Mannlicher (that name has been altered several times over its history), but were predominantly manufactured at Steyr. Fegyver es Gepgyar (FEG) of Hungary also made them (and IMHO of a better quality), and are commonly found with the Budapest stamp.
 
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