Steyr Scout

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Hi All

I am looking to buy a Steyr Scout in .308 and was wondering if anyone owns one.
If possible, I would like to know is reloads can make the rifle shoot a ragged hole at 100 yrds.
Any help from you Guroo's is very much appreciated.

Thanks You

Anees
 
they are well made guns but it takes more than a good gun to make small groups. No gun is a sure thing, not even a custom, but the potential for this to be a sub half-minute gun is there - in the hands of a skilled shooter with tuned ammo.
 
I have a 2010-made one in .308, and I previously had a 2001-made one, also in .308, and I have posted about them a fair bit on here over the years. Have a look at these two threads. I think they address most of the issues:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?766139-Anyone-on-here-own-the-Steyr-Scout-308

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?640353-The-Steyr-Scout-and-Scout-vs-SSG-%28picture-thread%29

My overall advice, if I am capable of giving any, is... if you want to shoot one-ragged-hole groups at 100m (or any distance) off a bench all day long, do not buy a Steyr Scout. Get some kind of heavy barreled gun that weighs 15 pounds and develop a precision handload for that. It will be more satisfying.

I've never been one to believe that the use of the Scout, and the limits of the debate, are set by Col. Cooper's concept (as you will see in reading those threads) but certainly you have to keep in mind.... the main attribute of the scout rifle is to keep it light. Col. Cooper's weight limit (6lbs.?) is also going to be the hardest to achieve in practice. The only way to do it (or even get close) is to have a skinny barrel with a light stock. Skinny barrel means that the barrel heats up fast and stays hot longer. I only shoot 5 rounds per course of fire with mine when I take it to the range. If the barrel gets too hot (as with all rifles with skinny tapered barrels) your groups will string-out vertically if you keep pushing it. You can see from my posts in the other threads that the potential is there to shot 1/2" at 100m with decent factory ammo. Perfecting a handload, and getting better with the rifle should get it down lower... however, as I say, you can't let the barrel get too hot.

The other thing is recoil. Yes, even with a .308 you definitely notice the recoil on the Scout. Compared to an SSG69, which has very little felt recoil in .308, the Scout does beat you up a bit. I have never measured this out, but I would think that the barreled action (without bolt) of the SSG69 weighs more than the complete scout rifle (minus optics anyway). Don't get me wrong, it's not a 12ga. or anything, but you will feel it.

If you want the most accurate rifle, get a dedicated bench rest rifle. If you want a precise tactical rifle, get that. If you want to turn the Scout into a precision tactical rifle, at least get the heavy barrel version (the Steyr Elite), but even that will not get you all the way to where many tac rifles are. If you want a rifle whose dominant characteristics are lightness, "handiness", with a unique look and style all its own, which also brings some really good accuracy to the table as long as you don't push it too hard in terms of heat, then get a Scout.
 
Anees,

I don't want to hijack your thread and I have never owned a Steyr Mannlicher Scout Rifle in caliber .308 but I have always been interested in the Scout Rifle concept - I actually own a Pseudo-Scout Remington Model 700 rifle in caliber .30-06, with a short 18½" barrel and some other modifications. I am a Gunsite Orange Graduate (General Rifle Course-1987) and I have spent some interesting days with Col. Jeff Cooper, at the time.

Long story short : what ghostie said is pretty much what you can expect from a "Scout" type rifle. Short and light and handy is nice but a Scout rifle is not a Bench Rest rifle. One ragged hole at 100 yards ? Yes, maybe, if you do not push your rifle too hard - that is too fast. You can deal with the recoil up to a point, naturally - it is mostly in your head. Up to now, my Pseudo-Scout rifle has seen many hundred bullets - probably close to two thousands. I still think that there is a niche for a "Scout" type rifle but you have to accept its limitations.

ghostie, always nice to hear (read ?) your opinion.

Snowy Owl
 
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I'd almost say go with a Ruger Scout gunsite after reading the previous posts. They're solid rifles, have detachable mags and a relatively decent profile barrel. Not too heavy but solid enough to be accurate.
 
How did those work out for ya, Dan? What kind of accuracy did you get out of them?

I love the scout rifle concept too but it seems to me the best ones were all 'one-off' custom jobs. I personally do not care for the commercial models being offered by Steyr or Ruger - they are undoubtedly fine rifles but their cosmetics just don't appeal to me.
 
I am somewhat bemused to once again see scout rifles being considered precision rifles. The scout rifle describes an implement best suited for practical shooting scenarios, where a high degree of precision can be neither exploited nor appreciated. Cooper's 3 legged stool, DVC is the cornerstone of the concept, speed, power and accuracy, and nowhere can precision be found.

Speed refers an open ended time frame. If you give a man 10 seconds to shoot, he'll train himself to shoot all his rounds in 9, but in a hunting scenario per-say, you might have but a moment get into position to make that single shot before the game bolts out of sight. There lies the primary difference between practical shooting and target shooting.

Power is subjective, and need only be sufficient for the job at hand, without producing intimidating recoil or blast. While it takes more power to slay an elephant than a jackrabbit, in the context of the all purpose rifle, power must be sufficient to take most game common to the area, or to dominate a fight. If a shooter has only experience with small bore rifles, he might well find a .30/06 unreasonable, but the .30/06 pretty neatly delineates enough from too much in an arbitrary sort of way.

Intrinsic rifle accuracy, and the sighting equipment mounted on the piece, must, along with a good trigger, enable the marksman. But in context, the selection of elements that combine to make an accurate rifle, must enable the shooter to engage large living targets, as opposed to say squirrels. Maximum range is determined by the distance at which a first round hit can be assured, without near range target engagements being rendered impractical.
 
I am somewhat bemused to once again see scout rifles being considered precision rifles. The scout rifle describes an implement best suited for practical shooting scenarios, where a high degree of precision can be neither exploited nor appreciated. Cooper's 3 legged stool, DVC is the cornerstone of the concept, speed, power and accuracy, and nowhere can precision be found.

Speed refers an open ended time frame. If you give a man 10 seconds to shoot, he'll train himself to shoot all his rounds in 9, but in a hunting scenario per-say, you might have but a moment get into position to make that single shot before the game bolts out of sight. There lies the primary difference between practical shooting and target shooting.

Power is subjective, and need only be sufficient for the job at hand, without producing intimidating recoil or blast. While it takes more power to slay an elephant than a jackrabbit, in the context of the all purpose rifle, power must be sufficient to take most game common to the area, or to dominate a fight. If a shooter has only experience with small bore rifles, he might well find a .30/06 unreasonable, but the .30/06 pretty neatly delineates enough from too much in an arbitrary sort of way.

Intrinsic rifle accuracy, and the sighting equipment mounted on the piece, must, along with a good trigger, enable the marksman. But in context, the selection of elements that combine to make an accurate rifle, must enable the shooter to engage large living targets, as opposed to say squirrels. Maximum range is determined by the distance at which a first round hit can be assured, without near range target engagements being rendered impractical.

This is CGN. anything with a scope and a bipod and a bit of black or green paint is precision
 
Boomer,

You have pretty much summed it up and we could still go on for hours and maybe days on the subject but then, we would do exactly what I am trying not to do, that is hijack the OP's thread.

The OP wanted to know if the Steyr Mannlicher Scout rifle in caliber .308 Winchester can make ragged holes at 100 yards with handloaded ammunition. Well, maybe and maybe not - in fact, it's irrelevant for a "Scout" type rifle, as you aptly wrote. So, when I said that a Scout rifle is not a Benchrest rifle, I was trying to tell the OP, as politely as I can, that a Scout rifle has no place on a benchrest. It is a General-Purpose rifle, to be used just about anywhere but a benchrest.

The situation today is that almost nobody has ever heard of such a thing as a "General-Purpose" rifle and that ALMOST EVERYBODY is shooting from a benchrest (from a stand for the hunters). Improvised field shooting positions under time pressure ? What is that ? Using a sling for shooting ? What sling ? Practical Shooting ? What ? DVC ? Col. Jeff Cooper ?. It's all old forgotten stuff.

There is so much to be said and I have already taken enough space on this thread. Sometimes, I talk "Practical Rifle Shooting" with people - mostly hunters - and all I get is blank stares or side glances. Nobody believes that you can shoot a 10" target, off hand at 200 yards/meters, after running from a starting position 300 yards/meters away and shooting 8 rounds (other field shooting positions) on that very same target along the way, against the clock (Rifle Ten), with a "Scout" type rifle.

Enough for today,

Snowy Owl
 
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How did those work out for ya, Dan? What kind of accuracy did you get out of them?

I love the scout rifle concept too but it seems to me the best ones were all 'one-off' custom jobs. I personally do not care for the commercial models being offered by Steyr or Ruger - they are undoubtedly fine rifles but their cosmetics just don't appeal to me.

They were easy to carry, would give me three shot groups right around 1" at 100 yards with handloads (pretty much all I use anyway). Both 308's for me, and another I did for a friend the same. I never considered any other chambering. Dropped my longest deer with one, though it was from a prone rest on a haystack (407 paces, but I have short legs) and I was a lot younger. I found on the Remingtons that full bedding right to the end of the stock improved groups a fair bit with that thin barrel. The Mauser didn't make the weight limit, though it was close and would be easier to do today with more components to choose from that would lighten it up. Made for a nice easy packing 35 Whelen though and a great moose gun. I think you could replicate them today for around $1200 or so all in. Depends how much work you could do yourself. The only thing I can't find anymore is a Pilkington lever, so finding someone to fabricate one may be the answer. I haven't tried any of the other QR scope mounts so don't know how they would work. Burris makes scope mounts that are easy to mount, and Williams makes a peep sight for backup irons. Makes swapping back and forth from scope to irons easy. A Ching sling is nice, but a modified military will work too, just slower to get in and out of. QD sling swivels are great, but again not totally necessary. The Mauser was already set up for stripper clips, which is nice. I thought of machining them into the Rem receivers but never got around to it (Rem did this on some early 40X actions). A DM would work too, but heavier. All in all I was pleased, and would build another tomorrow if I lost the one I still have. - dan
 
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