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I'm having issues trying to decide what to do regarding the stock on my M305 Scout. It's still in the Norinco ccomposite stock.

I ordered a CASM mount. So that means I will want a cheek riser. Adjustable are around 100 as I won't drill through my stock.

Next, I've read that the factory norc stock leave less to be desired and will need a fair amount of work bedding, etc. I've never bedded anything before, and would lie to try. However I'm not sure I want this to be my first crack at it.

So, after doing all this work, needing the cheek riser, etc, is it worth the extra few bucks for something like an archangel stock? Will the archangel need to be bedded as well? I like the functionality of the archangel, but I'm not sure I'm that tacti-cool enough for it.

Or, do I buy a boyds walnut as it's much stiffer than the factory composite and go from there?

Can anyone share some experience with a newbie to this platform?

Thanks!
 
Lowestform said:
I'm having issues trying to decide what to do regarding the stock on my M305 Scout. It's still in the Norinco ccomposite stock.

I ordered a CASM mount. So that means I will want a cheek riser. Adjustable are around 100 as I won't drill through my stock.

Next, I've read that the factory norc stock leave less to be desired and will need a fair amount of work bedding, etc. I've never bedded anything before, and would lie to try. However I'm not sure I want this to be my first crack at it.

So, after doing all this work, needing the cheek riser, etc, is it worth the extra few bucks for something like an archangel stock? Will the archangel need to be bedded as well? I like the functionality of the archangel, but I'm not sure I'm that tacti-cool enough for it.

Or, do I buy a boyds walnut as it's much stiffer than the factory composite and go from there?

Can anyone share some experience with a newbie to this platform?

Thanks!
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go for the classic look, a boyd's would serve you well and is affordable enuff that you can take some time to do some research into the currently available stocks or chassis and make an informed purchase based on your needs.
 
Get a USGI fibreglass to bed or better yet, if you can get your hands on one, get one of 45ACPKing's mod stocks! But honestly, why not just get a tacpro riser for for your norc stock and drill it? They're only like $50 and then bed the norc stock. If you ruin it, which I highly doubt, you can grab another off the EE for like 60 bucks. By far you cheapest option.
 
A Blackfeather is awesome. So is the Sage.

So is the price. Nope.

I do love the classic look of either the comp stock or the wood. I also like the look of the detachable bag cheek risers, just am not sure how much of a rise I need with the CASM mount. I would guess 1" or more?

I may just try that, give it a shot at bedding the norc stock. If I wreck it I'm not that far behind. Besides, I might just learn something. My trades usually demand swinging a large hammer at stuff, so it might be nice to do something g that doesn't require brute force!
 
A couple friends have Archangle stocks. They seem solid enough, the price is good, but I find them heavy compared to the norc plastic stock. Not a problem if you just shoot at the range but I wouldn't want to carry one to far and then try to make a standing shot. I use the original stock on mine and I'm getting surprisingly good groups. I just have a cheap cheek riser (voodoo maybe) and added a little padding to increase the height.
Trevor
 
The Archangel stock is quite good, and not very expensive ($285 at mystic precision ). It doesn't have to be bedded to make the rifle more accurate, but you will have to gently trim away some material from under the receiver (near the back right side), and make sure that the trigger guard locks up properly. You will need to do this with a usgi composite or walnut stock (including boyd's) as well.

A usgi or walnut stock won't necessarily make the m305 more accurate without bedding it. It's more a matter of looks and feel.

I'm partial to the walnut look myself.
 
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Odd Shot said:
The Archangel stock is quite good, and not very expensive ($285 at mystic precision ). I does't have to be bedded to make the rifle to be more accurate, but you will have to gently trim away some material from under the receiver (near the back right side), and make sure that the trigger guard locks up properly. You will need to do this with a usgi composite or walnut stock (including boyd's) as well.

A usgi or walnut stock won't necessarily make the m305 more accurate without bedding it. It's more a matter of looks and feel.

I'm partial to the walnut look myself.
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only mod needed on a usgi fiberglass or walnut stock is to plug the connector lock recess, I've done a few 100 or more with zero exaggeration, bedding is optional and NOT required in the majority of cases, nice to do, but required? not so much. There is no trimming required either, except for possibly fitting the trigger bearing pads like with ALL stocks new to the rifle.
Boyds and archangel stocks DO require the trimming you mention in order to fit correctly to a Chinese action/receiver profile. However, for an M1A, those two stocks are generally a drop in fit.
 
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only mod needed on a usgi fiberglass or walnut stock is to plug the connector lock recess, I've done a few 100 or more with zero exaggeration, bedding is optional and NOT required in the majority of cases, nice to do, but required? not so much. There is no trimming required either, except for possibly fitting the trigger bearing pads like with ALL stocks new to the rifle.
Boyds and archangel stocks DO require the trimming you mention in order to fit correctly to a Chinese action/receiver profile. However, for an M1A, those two stocks are generally a drop in fit.
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Sorry, but for clarity: did you mean M305?

Also, so you're saying that the M305 will shoot more accurately when sitting in a USGI fiberglass or Boyds walnut stock vs. the original Norinco plastic stock?
(I'm not contesting your post, I just want to learn more)
 
my post made no mention of "accuracy" and was referring to "fit and function"

It is NOT necessary to modify a usgi stock, fiberglass or wood , to fit an M305/m14s in any other way but the "popsicle stick mod" mentioned in the stickies to fill the connector recess. bedding is optional and done for custom fit/accuracy reasons.

Boyds and Archangel stocks, are made for the M1A and other American manufactured models and these actions are a drop in fit --> USGI, LRb, JRA, SA M1A, SEI ect, However, these stocks MUST be modified to correctly fit the m305/m14s

make sense?
 
45ACPKING said:
my post made no mention of "accuracy" and was referring to "fit and function"

It is NOT necessary to modify a usgi stock, fiberglass or wood , to fit an M305/m14s in any other way but the "popsicle stick mod" mentioned in the stickies to fill the connector recess. bedding is optional and done for custom fit/accuracy reasons.

Boyds and Archangel stocks, are made for the M1A and other American manufactured models and these actions are a drop in fit --> USGI, LRb, JRA, SA M1A, SEI ect, However, these stocks MUST be modified to correctly fit the m305/m14s

make sense?
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First and foremost, I of course defer to your experience in all things M14.
But I am a little confused now, being the newb that I am.

I had thought that M305 receivers had the extra bit of metal at the rear right of the receiver (at the end of the op rod track) which M1A's and USA pattern M14's did not have.
So when fitting an M305 to a non-Norinco stock such as a USGI fiberglass or walnut, Boyd's walnut or Archangel stock, modification of the stock in that area was required as well to ensure a proper fit.

If I'm understanding you correctly, my understanding was incorrect. Only the Boyds and Archangel stocks need that modification.
USGI stocks (fiberglass or walnut), for USA pattern M14's do not require this modification for Norinco M305's to fit in, and they only need the popsicle mod.

Sorry to spell it out like that, it's clarity for my sake and not your's.

My confusion appears to have arose from thinking USGI stocks were identical to the Boyd's M14 stocks in they needed that bit under the receiver trimmed.

As for you not bringing up the issue accuracy, that's affirmative. I was addressing the OP's original question of whether a USGI fiberglass or Boyds stock would be more accurate over the Norinco stock because they are stiffer, or if they need to be bedded. Again, it's my understanding that bedding the M305 to these stocks is not essential for function, but can improve accuracy. I just didn't know if placing the M305 in the fiberglass or walnut stock alone would be enough actually improve accuracy over the norinco plastic stock. I've been told that it's a "maybe"
 
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the usgi stocks have bearing pads on the side and the rear where the heel rests. the side bearing pads are raised and angled (5 degrees I think)
anyhow, there is sufficient bearing surface on these stocks to mate to the Chinese receiver with no mods except the connector pin recess.
unless the donor stock is worn badly it should fit just fine, because that extra length of the oprod side bearing surface of a Chinese receiver hangs over the open selector hole of those GI stocks.

Archangel and boyds and other M1A stocks that have that selector hole area filled, are generally the wrong profile, missing the 5 degree bevel that one will notice on Chinese wood and plastic stocks that runs along the right hand side.

I wish I could take the time to take some pics and point to what I mean.

I'd agree on the accuracy thing being a maybe when it comes to going from norinco plastic to a fiberglass GI stock , however a GI walnut or a Boyds could have a very positive effect ;)
 
45ACPKING said:
the usgi stocks have bearing pads on the side and the rear where the heel rests. the side bearing pads are raised and angled (5 degrees I think)
anyhow, there is sufficient bearing surface on these stocks to mate to the Chinese receiver with no mods except the connector pin recess.
unless the donor stock is worn badly it should fit just fine, because that extra length of the oprod side bearing surface of a Chinese receiver hangs over the open selector hole of those GI stocks.

Archangel and boyds and other M1A stocks that have that selector hole area filled, are generally the wrong profile, missing the 5 degree bevel that one will notice on Chinese wood and plastic stocks that runs along the right hand side.

I wish I could take the time to take some pics and point to what I mean.

I'd agree on the accuracy thing being a maybe when it comes to going from norinco plastic to a fiberglass GI stock , however a GI walnut or a Boyds could have a very positive effect ;)
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Ahhh, that's right! No need for the photos. I see what you mean. I wasn't thinking about the cut-out in the USGI stocks for the selector switch.
Thank you again for your insights into the M14
 
no worries , happy to help. spent a lot of time researching receiver and stock dimension before I started making stocks a few years back. even though I don't really make stocks much anymore, it's good to know the knowledge is still useful to folks ;)
 
The Popsicle stick method works well for Chinese receivers into usgi stocks, myself I just ordered a couple usgi connector pins instead. They go for about 2$ a pop.

...still kicking myself for selling my JAE.
 
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