Storing pistol without lock

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Hey guys , I'm not quite sure what defines a safe for a pistol that doesn't require a lock to be used on the pistol when stored in said safe. I know when stored in a cabinet a lock has to be used. I have a small pistol safe , thin steel 3/32" thick maybe , 2 dead bolts on door , just wondering if a lock on the trigger was required when stored in my safe.
 
Big_red_truck said:
No legal definition? That must make for quite a sticky situation
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Like every law in the Canada, intention seems to play a role in the decision to prosecute. like carrying a knife for opening letters/peeling apples/et cetera is legal, but carrying one for fighting isn't.
 
A safe has only legally been defined in Ont.

As there is no definition of a safe in either the CCC or the firearms act, the default is to use the dictionary definition. Which is basically any steel locking box.

In the court case in Ont school lockers with pad lock were found to be safes.

Shawn
 
As I read the law to store a restricted... Locked in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.

so to me this means if you purchase a safe that is labelled "pistol safe" or "firearms safe" it meets the requirements and does not need a trigger lock while locked inside it, regardless if it is made of 1/2" steel plate or 1/16" tin
 
liberty said:
As I read the law to store a restricted... Locked in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.

so to me this means if you purchase a safe that is labelled "pistol safe" it meets the requirements and does not need a trigger lock while locked inside it,,
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I have always wondered what constituted a "modification." If you cut and form a foam insert to hold a pistol in a cash box, is that now a "gun safe?"
 
The way I interpret the Storage law is that all restricted and prohibited firearms have to be secured with a locking device AND store in a locked cabinet or in a vault or safe. Either way, the firearm must be secured with a locking device first.
 
mightyhunter said:
The way I interpret the Storage law is that all restricted and prohibited firearms have to be secured with a locking device AND store in a locked cabinet or in a vault or safe. Either way, the firearm must be secured with a locking device first.
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Ummm, not how it reads to me. From:http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-98-209/FullText.html
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STORAGE OF RESTRICTED FIREARMS

6. An individual may store a restricted firearm only if
(a) it is unloaded;
(b) it is
(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device and stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked; and
(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in
(i) a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked.

STORAGE OF PROHIBITED FIREARMS

7. An individual may store a prohibited firearm only if
(a) it is unloaded;
(b) it is
(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device and stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, and, if the prohibited firearm is an automatic firearm that has a removable bolt or bolt-carrier, the bolt or bolt-carrier is removed and stored in a room that is different from the room in which the automatic firearm is stored, that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of prohibited firearms and that is kept securely locked; and
(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in
(i) a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of prohibited firearms and that is kept securely locked.
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Note the "or" between clauses (i) and (ii). You can choose.
 
mightyhunter said:
The way I interpret the Storage law is that all restricted and prohibited firearms have to be secured with a locking device AND store in a locked cabinet or in a vault or safe. Either way, the firearm must be secured with a locking device first.
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That's a negative Ghost Rider.....
 
mightyhunter said:
That is how I interpret it, I did not say I agree with it. But in the eyes of the law, better be safe then...well you know how it is.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm
This is where I got this infomation.
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Ugh, so many people fail to understand this.

It has to be:

1.) Trigger locked AND in a cabinet, container or room

OR

2.) Locked in a vault, safe or room specifically designed for firearms storage.

The first one requires two stages of security, the second does not because it's designed for firearm storage.
 
mightyhunter said:
That is how I interpret it, I did not say I agree with it. But in the eyes of the law, better be safe then...well you know how it is.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm
This is where I got this infomation.
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That "or" pops up between the two described storage methods here too:
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Restricted and prohibited firearms

Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into; or
Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.
For automatic firearms, also remove the bolts or bolt carriers (if removable) and lock them in a separate room that is difficult to break into.
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That was how I read it before until a sponsor from here told me that the CFO told them other wise.
"Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired AND lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into; OR"
The "and" is also highlighted in bold. This is where I am confused. So I figured I would do both.
 
The CFO makes up rules and says whatever they want to be the truth, but they're the most full of #### of all people. Sadly, comprehension of the English language is also slipping away and people are losing the ability to read. Proper reading dictates that it is interpreted as points 1 and 2 as I've explained. Go all out and do both if you'd like, but that's not how it's written.
 
mightyhunter said:
The way I interpret the Storage law is that all restricted and prohibited firearms have to be secured with a locking device AND store in a locked cabinet or in a vault or safe. Either way, the firearm must be secured with a locking device first.
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If you look at the document published by the RCMP (albeit not the law) it is fairly clear it is either trigger lock and a locker or no trigger lock and in a safe.
 
jzz30tt said:
If you look at the document published by the RCMP (albeit not the law) it is fairly clear it is either trigger lock and a locker or no trigger lock and in a safe.
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.....and if you look at the only court ruling in Canada that specifically deals with this issue, it's pretty clear that one Crown Prosecutor's Cabinet is another Judge's Safe - guess who wins.
 
jzz30tt said:
If you look at the document published by the RCMP (albeit not the law) it is fairly clear it is either trigger lock and a locker or no trigger lock and in a safe.
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In a locker, or a case, or anything else that locks pretty much.

The only time you do not need a trigger lock is if you use a safe or Gun Room... And as people have stated, legal dictionary says a safe is a "lockable metal box" or something along those lines.

In Ontario, a snap-on cabinet is a gun safe, as there is legal precedence on the matter. In the rest of the provinces, there is no legal definition of a safe, and precedence in Ontario doesn't mean jack-shyte in any other province. So I wouldn't go rockin' a snap-on in BC thinking its a legal safe, but if you were in Ontario do it up.
 
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