Strickly upland-Grouse and bunnies shotgun!!

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In another thread I mentioned I was looking at getting a browning citori white lightning. Well..I am..tomorrow..I've held a few and I'm stuck on this one!!! My dealer has both a 20 and 12 in stock..I have always shot a 12, nothing else..but when I held the 20.....well...It would be a world of difference to carry all day..I just want to know..since i've never used a 20 very much before..is the patterning much different than a 12??? when it comes to shots just say from 10-30 yards...in other words...could moving from a 12 to a 20 result in more misses???(I'm a pretty good shot on upland birds)..so I guess if your on target..it doesn't matter...right??

Thanks..
 
Thats right. For upland and bunnies the 12 gauge is no advantage and is heavier to lug. I have never had any problem with a 20 and sometimes carry a 28 which also works wonderfully on the game you are after.
 
In my experience using a 12 guage for grouse makes a mess of the bird. As far as shotguns go the .410 is what we used to use as kids. Now though grouse is almost only a .22 head shot type of thing. Same deal with bunnies. The advantage with a shotgun would be if the birds fly, but here is BC anyways grouse don't really seem to fly away to much. You can kill them with rocks, sticks, pellet guns and sling shots so I don't think your choice of shotgun is going to matter too much. My advice would be the smaller the better to keep from messing up yor meals.
 
At those distances, you'll have no problems with a 20g. As for patterns and such, again, at those distances you don't even need to worry over that. Besides, with a lighter 20, your arms will be thanking you at the end of the day. And lastly, 20's are just plain fun to shoot!
 
My 20s pattern about the same as the 12s depending on the choke. It's just the amount of pellets and the weight of the gun that changes.

I love my 20g for upland because around here it's just a 5hr hike with the dog hoping to see some food while lugging a gun most days.:) The 20s are just enough lighter to notice.
 
For the type of game you are after the the 28 gauge is in my opinion the best choice.They can be a little harder to find but the wait is worth it.
 
Thats the kinda stuff I wanted to hear..:D..will settle for the 20, 2 3/4 and 3,with 26 in barrels. And getting it later today, if not tomorow....

also, down the road I may also try and get a citori superlight feather..also in 20 gauge..5lbs 11ounces..pretty light...any opinions on those??? Have never used a straight grip...but love the look and styling of them..very classic..
 
If I were getting a citori for that purpose I'd go with the 20. I plan on getting a citori eventually but I'll probably go with a 12g for shooting trap. This could be done with a 20 too however, perhaps I'll wait to hold one.
 
A 20 gauge of the same make/model is most definitely as good a grouse/small game gun as the 12 would be - most likely better.

Since you have decided to purchase the 20, there's a consideration you should be made aware of. Often, when using smaller gauges of shotguns, shooters think they can have the best of both worlds by getting heavier loads. Intuitively, it would make sense that a greater powder charge combined with more shot will produce more dense patterns and longer effective range. In actuality, the reverse is true.

In W.W. Greener's book "THE GUN" (highly recommended reading for all GunNutz), he explains in detail how the powder charge should be large enough that it burns all the way down the barrel, but not so large that unburnt powder remains after the shot has exited the barrel. Otherwise, the "blow-by" that rushes past the shot stream as it exits the barrel strips the outside pellets and scatters them as "fliers".

He also explains how, for every gauge, there is an optimum amount of shot. Employing shells with a less than optimum amount of shot, obviously reduces the total pellets hitting the target and thins the pattern. Using anything greater than the optimum amount has also been proven by experimentation to result in less pellets on target and larger voids in the pattern.

So-called "game" loads are usually too heavy to fall into the sweet spot. To get the best performance out of your new Citori, look for 7/8 - 1 oz loads with standard powder charges. Finding 3 or 4 versions of similar shells and patterning them will, almost invariably, identify a make/load that outperforms all the others in a particular gun.

Personally, I'm hooked on Gamebore's "Traditional Game" loads, distributed by Kent Cartridge in Canada.
 
A 12ga does not make a mess of a bird there will be no difference in pattern density a grouse only has so much surface area the number of pellets hitting the bird at thirty yds. will depend on the choke not the ga. actually the 20ga. has a longer shot string so there is more of a chance to do greater damage with it . Buy the 20ga. and have fun with it .
 
You can't go wrong with a 28G eather I love mine and if you happen on to a black duck or jack rabbit you can let both barrels go it will give you the same amount of shot as a 12G. my 28 is 4lb 9oz loaded. that is my 2cents.
Gary
 
You will never be disappointed with a 20 gauge. I own 4 of them. The only problem is deciding which one to take out hunting. I've shot many ducks and geese with my 20's. I'll soon be receiving my new Ithaca Ultralight, I'm looking forward to grouse hunting this fall.
 
You can't go wrong with a 28G eather I love mine and if you happen on to a black duck or jack rabbit you can let both barrels go it will give you the same amount of shot as a 12G. my 28 is 4lb 9oz loaded. that is my 2cents.
Gary


Just wondering what you have for a 28 gauge shotgun,Garywm1952?I like my 28 gauge shotguns light and 4 pounds 9 ounces is light .
 
I owned a citori 20 featherlight with the english stock. It is great for hunting as you spend a lot more time carrying than shooting. I wanted to use it for skeet and sporting clays as well. Even with target loads it was punishing to shoot a round of skeet. I spend a lot of time shooting shotguns and am more comfortable with a pistol grip. For these two reasons I sold it. Like I say for hunting this gun is wonderful. I was looking for a bit more versatility and was more comfortable with a pistol grip so it was not the best for my purposes.
 
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