stripped 30rnd ar mag still prohib?

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as the title says. if you have the body of a 30rnd mag that's stripped down, is it still considered prohib even though its not a functional mag and its parts really? question came up in another thread as a mag being considered prohib temporarily after removing a pin to shorten it and replacing it again so that the pin doesn't stop the mag from going into the mag well.
 
Yes, precedent has been set that a sheet of metal bent into a rectangle is indeed a prohibited device. That' how silly our laws are, if the rivet on your magazine falls off you instantly are guilty of possession of a prohibited device.
 
See R. V. Cancade. Absolutely terrible decision, but appealing to SCC could've been even more damaging considering the leftist dominance amongst the Canadian judiciary. Rather than an "uncontrolled spare part" your unaltered mag body is a prohibited device. Boggles the mind...
 
Ok, so what if I have a 5 round magazine for an AR-15, that happens to be about 7" long, and I take out the follower which has on the underside a permanently attached 5.5" long metal tab. Now I have the same body as in the first post. Is that a prohibited device?
 
X-man said:
See R. V. Cancade. Absolutely terrible decision, but appealing to SCC could've been even more damaging considering the leftist dominance amongst the Canadian judiciary. Rather than an "uncontrolled spare part" your unaltered mag body is a prohibited device. Boggles the mind...
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is there a freely accessible version of the judgement ? bcjustice.ca is subscription only.
 
john@ said:
Ok, so what if I have a 5 round magazine for an AR-15, that happens to be about 7" long, and I take out the follower which has on the underside a permanently attached 5.5" long metal tab. Now I have the same body as in the first post. Is that a prohibited device?
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i would think once the mag is disassembled and has the ability to put a normal follower and spring in it, then it would be concidered prohib. unless the 5 rnd mag has a differently shaped follower such that the standard follower wouldnt fit
 
Hey guys, your thoughts on this.

Back when I was into paintball, long before ever thinking about even being licensed for firearms, I came to posses a paintball gun dressed up as an Ak-47. The cosmetic parts were made out of real components of demilled Ak-47's, including the furniture, stamped receiver sections, sights, gas tube, and magazine.
The magazine in particular happens to be an actual standard Ak mag with the spring and follower removed.

Theoretically if I was still in possession of this paintball gun, would I be a criminal?
How long would theoretical me have until the black helicopters show up?
 
Goose762 said:
Hey guys, your thoughts on this.

Back when I was into paintball, long before ever thinking about even being licensed for firearms, I came to posses a paintball gun dressed up as an Ak-47. The cosmetic parts were made out of real components of demilled Ak-47's, including the furniture, stamped receiver sections, sights, gas tube, and magazine.
The magazine in particular happens to be an actual standard Ak mag with the spring and follower removed.

Theoretically if I was still in possession of this paintball gun, would I be a criminal?
How long would theoretical me have until the black helicopters show up?
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In short, yes. You are a criminal in possession of two prohibited items. The mag and the ak receiver.

I'm pretty sure they banned importation of that particular paintball gun if I remember correctly.
 
john@ said:
Ok, so what if I have a 5 round magazine for an AR-15, that happens to be about 7" long, and I take out the follower which has on the underside a permanently attached 5.5" long metal tab. Now I have the same body as in the first post. Is that a prohibited device?
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Same body, so yes. However, internal blocks such as that are legal, as they require a "Tool" to remove. If you could "easily convert" it to hold more than the legal limit, such as by putting on a normal follower and/or baseplate, then it's prohibited. The downside is that the RCMP can decide that anything is easily convertible. A submarine is easily convertible into a space shuttle, you just need to find the right team of engineers.

On the other hand, if you have a magazine such as this 10 round P226 9mm magazine, then you can remove the baseplate and follower without worrying about it turning into a prohibited device since it's absolute maximum capacity is 10. Damn travesty that such a thing even exists, but that's the hand we've been dealt. In this case the baseplate has been reshaped to resemble the missing portion of the magazine body for the same overall dimensions but at a reduced capacity.
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Korporal said:
In short, yes. You are a criminal in possession of two prohibited items. The mag and the ak receiver.

I'm pretty sure they banned importation of that particular paintball gun if I remember correctly.
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Joy.



It's not banned, at least not specifically. They're relatively popular in the paintball world but they're a custom piece and not mass produced, however they are out there. I saw one for sale in a paintball store relatively recently. The only paintball guns that are banned to my knowledge are a few of the RAP-4 .43 cal handguns, but that's a different story.
Most of them are imported by paintballer from the states, they get shipped marked "sports equipment" and to my knowledge with the exception of the RAP-4 markers where a few got siezed nothing nasty legally has come out from the CBSA regarding them finding one. Or maybe the just haven't.

Are you sure the receiver section is also a prohibited item? It's been hacked apart and had holes drilled through it to fit it to the marker.

Technically I don't even own this thing anymore, I sold it to a friend a few years back (no, NOT Mike in Canmore) but it stopped cycling so i've got it back while I fix it for him. Can I get some confirmation, or at least wild speculation over if the upper receiver, in it's current state is still prohibited, there's no way this thing would fit on a kalashnikov and function.


Here's what the marker looks like;

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The mag i've got not internal components for nor any firearms that would be able to fire from it if I did, so i'm not to worried. At the most i'll fill it with some sort of epoxy or something before giving it back to my friend. The receiver section, well I haven't a clue what it's legality is in it's current, chopped up state, or even in general.
Thoughts?
 
The dust cover and the furniture are fine.
The rest of the "receiver" looks like its milled forged aluminum custom made for a marker. Nothing like an original ak receiver so I wouldn't worry about it.

Silly as it sounds, the mag on the other hand will still need a rivet at the 5rd mark or as Powerwagon said, weld it. The housing by itself is now a no-no.

The "AK" I was referring to earlier was an air rifle that has the same receiver as a real AK and was prohibited.
 
I had one of those markers too, (which by the, while looking sweet, never worked properly at all) but my magazine had the top feed lips of the magazine zipped off (dremeled?) so that there was no way in hell a follower and spring would ever stay in there. It was done so that it still latched into the "mag well", but it was in no way an AKM magazine after that... Food for thought.
 
As mentioned above the court already decided that a 30 round magazine without spring and follow is still consider prohib since its easily convertable/addable. Let say you break the feedlips so it can't hold the rounds in place anymore, it won't be prohib under that case.
 
yingtsay said:
As mentioned above the court already decided that a 30 round magazine without spring and follow is still consider prohib since its easily convertable/addable. Let say you break the feedlips so it can't hold the rounds in place anymore, it won't be prohib under that case.
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sorry that major bad info!! please do say things like that, the uninformed may think you are right. 30 rd mag weather broked , missing parts, or even with the fead lips cut off is still a prohib device.
 
Call 1 800 731 4000 and ask them.

They won't give you a straight answer its a pain in the rear... Press 0 and ask them they tend to answer if they know.

You could just buy a magazine in Canada already remove all the parts ect make it into something else then it's no longer a magazine. Just taking parts out it's still a magazine. If it can no longer hold ammo then it's not...
 
Alright, two bolts through the mag just under the feed lips and there's no way any rounds are getting in there.
So, we good now? Has my reckless life of crime come to an end?


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Bolts can be easily removed, I think you're still prohibited, but I'm sure people will correct me if I'm wrong. I'd just destroy the whole thing...
 
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