Having picked up an 1940 "42" RC K98 to go with my same year/same factory Luger (as previously posted), I got to thinking (because I've obviously caught Milsurp Acquisition Disease) about a matching pair from the Allied side. This leads me into Lee Enfield territory methinks. I have a 1943 S&W Victory Model in .38 S&W w/o any military markings, so I wonder if that's the best representative sidearm to pair with the long gun. Would an Enfield No. 2 or a Webley be a better choice? I'm leaning toward the Enfield as I have ammunition and dies for the .38 S&W round. Just how close a pairing (manufacturer/factory) is possible?
Suitable milsurp rifle/sidearm pairing(s)
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That is an interesting idea. Do you want brit or Canadian? In some ways a Canadian handgun might be easier because we usually used US handguns.
Getting the right gun would be easy but the right markings on it less so.
It might be easier to find the handgun and then the rifle than the other way around.
We did use some really nice commercial .45 1911's. The .38 Enfield was the only Brit handgun we used and the US army just found one (with ammo), being used by insurgents in Iraq.
You will also probably need a second or third pattern FS Dagger as well
Getting the right gun would be easy but the right markings on it less so.
It might be easier to find the handgun and then the rifle than the other way around.
We did use some really nice commercial .45 1911's. The .38 Enfield was the only Brit handgun we used and the US army just found one (with ammo), being used by insurgents in Iraq.
You will also probably need a second or third pattern FS Dagger as well
We also used P35 Brownings dureing WW2, in fact those WW2 built pistols are being taken out of reserve and issued now.
Unless your heart is set on arevolver (maybe cheaper) you may consider a Canadian built INGLIS, just don't confuse it with the Chinese contract model, which has a range adjustable rear sight and shoulder stock cut out.
bearhunter
Unless your heart is set on arevolver (maybe cheaper) you may consider a Canadian built INGLIS, just don't confuse it with the Chinese contract model, which has a range adjustable rear sight and shoulder stock cut out.
bearhunter
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- WMU248 near Edmonton
Webley Mk ? IV also used the 38/200 round (38 S&W)
I've found that my 2 enfield revolvers have grown on me. One is blu'ed while the other is park'ed 1931 and 1932 manufacture and both still retain the hammer spurs, but one is missing the lanyard ring
I'm reloading nice mild loads using .357" bullets which are a little small in the .361" bore but they work.
I picked up a box of 500 lead bullets to try next and they seem to be a little bigger some measuer up to .360 158grn if I recall.
I've found that my 2 enfield revolvers have grown on me. One is blu'ed while the other is park'ed 1931 and 1932 manufacture and both still retain the hammer spurs, but one is missing the lanyard ring
I'm reloading nice mild loads using .357" bullets which are a little small in the .361" bore but they work.
I picked up a box of 500 lead bullets to try next and they seem to be a little bigger some measuer up to .360 158grn if I recall.
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Webley Mk ? IV also used the 38/200 round (38 S&W)
I've found that my 2 enfield revolvers have grown on me. One is blu'ed while the other is park'ed 1931 and 1932 manufacture and both still retain the hammer spurs, but one is missing the lanyard ring
I'm reloading nice mild loads using .357" bullets which are a little small in the .361" bore but they work.
I picked up a box of 500 lead bullets to try next and they seem to be a little bigger some measuer up to .360 158grn if I recall.
Cast Boolits has a group buy, ending today, for a S&W 38/200 mold. I tried to get word out ealier.
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- WMU248 near Edmonton
I never considered the Soviets but it is a great idea. I love the 7.62/25 cartridge. The Russians are making new subguns in it because it is so effective at penetrating body armour. The nagant revolver is a cool pistol as well.
It is a bit boring but the Garand ,Colt .45 are both some quality weapons.
Since we used the commercial .45's you could go Enfield/ Colt .45.Another nice US combo is the M1 and the Victory .45 revolver. It is the kind of combo you would expect a Colonel to have.
The only reason not to choose an Enfield is I much prefer the classic .455.
You could use it and a Brit No4 though. Or again if price is no option the 1911 in .455.
There are some really interesting options on the axis side. The K98 and a Luger is as classic as it gets but a Sturmwerger and one of those Saur pocket pistols would be ubercool. G43 and a P38. My personal choice would be the Broomhandle mauser and a MP40.
It is a bit boring but the Garand ,Colt .45 are both some quality weapons.
Since we used the commercial .45's you could go Enfield/ Colt .45.Another nice US combo is the M1 and the Victory .45 revolver. It is the kind of combo you would expect a Colonel to have.
The only reason not to choose an Enfield is I much prefer the classic .455.
You could use it and a Brit No4 though. Or again if price is no option the 1911 in .455.
There are some really interesting options on the axis side. The K98 and a Luger is as classic as it gets but a Sturmwerger and one of those Saur pocket pistols would be ubercool. G43 and a P38. My personal choice would be the Broomhandle mauser and a MP40.
Bittermansbro
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M1 Carbine and 1911A1
My personal favorite duo would have to be a Long Branch No4. with an Inglis-Browning Hi-Power.
For WWI, a BSA No1.MkIII with a Webley in .455.
On the right track for Canadian/Brit stuff.
On the south side of the border these would be the best pairings;
US 1850 to 1860
M1863 58 musket, M1860 Colt Army 44 Perc.
US 1870 to 1890
M1873 Trapdoor, Colt Single Action Army, 45
US Pre 1890 to 1900
M1898 Krag, M1892 Colt, 38
US WW1
M1903 and M1917 Colt, 45.
US WW2
M-1 Garand and M1911-A1, 45.
OK , I realize some of these are not normal milsurps, but they are to certain degree.
Cheers
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I believe that the original plan was that rather then having a M1 garand and a 1911 that many trades would get an intermediate carbine and the M1 Carbine was born.
There are a lot of stories about these guys...they were rough and tough SOB's, and weren't afraid of anything.
I visited they base where they trained in Montana, quite interesting.
Cheers
Wes
If you already have a Smith & Wesson "Victory" model in .38 S&W Caliber
(.380), then you have the standard issue handgun to the 1st Canadian Division until Oct/Dec 1944. A good companion piece would be a nice Longbranch Lee Enfield #4 Mk. 1.
(.380), then you have the standard issue handgun to the 1st Canadian Division until Oct/Dec 1944. A good companion piece would be a nice Longbranch Lee Enfield #4 Mk. 1.
