Super Long Range Hunting

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Over the past couple of years, I'm sure we've all seen and read hunting/gun mag articles dealing with super long range hunting. Guys/writers bragging about shooting deer, antelope, goats, etc...in excess of 500 yards...often at much further ranges. The issue was brought to the fore once again in the past two issues of North American Hunter Magazine. Writer Ian McMurchy wrote about a cull hunt where he and a companion were shooting at 600-700+ yards. A reader called him to task in the next issue, McMurchy got his back up and defended his actions.

I've seen far too many wounded animals this past hunting season to accept any such justification. I know damn well that newbie hunters and those that should have better common sense are reading those articles, going up and buying themselves the latest sooper-dooper magnum and then emptying it in the general direction of a big game animal a mile away!:mad: That's not hunting! The longest shot I've taken on a big game animal was a hair over 400 yards and it was a one shot kill. I was shooting sitting, with a rifle I knew intimately and using my own handloads, while conditions were near perfect. Had the terrain permitted, I would've much preferred to get closer. Alas...

Now we're seeing new hunters, etc...trying to use magnum calibers as a replacement for developing stalking skills.:mad: It totally ticks me off. I was hunting the other day and I saw this absolutely beautiful cow moose with a gaping wound in her left rear leg. The leg was obviously broken and she had great difficult walking. There is no way she will survive the Winter and if our DNR permitted it, she should've been put down to end her suffering. Called Wildlife, but with their manpower, their response is to "let nature take its course!":mad: I've got too much respect for the animals I hunt to easily accept the needless suffering of another creature. Yet, if I choose to put her down, I'd be jeopardizing myself personally and could face charges of poaching, lose my hunting privileges, rifle, ATV, truck, etc...and face thousands in fines...for doing the "right" thing. I let nature take its course of course and a fine animal that deserved our respect and a painless death, continues on to suffer for another week or two, before infection, sepsis or a coyote gets her.:mad:

For the guys who want to take those super long shots, take up bench rest or service rifle and "kill" paper! Don't get your jollies shooting at distant live targets that you can barely see in your scope, simply because the law says you can. Develop a code of personal ethics and either stalk closer or pass!
 
Here we go again... a hunter with an opinion that honestly believes his code of ethics are right and everyone elses should be the same as his.
What a joke... you shoot 400 yards and make one shot kills... is that supposed to impress us? What about five hundred? If you have the skill and equipment to successfully shoot 400 you should be able to practice a little more and with the right equipment shoot 500-600 yards in a pinch.
Wait a minute... I forgot MY ETHICS demand that the line should be drawn at 400 yards only... cuz that is as brilliant as I get.:runaway:


Oh yeah and if that wounded Moose keeps you up at night... maybe you should take up badminton.:rolleyes:

I'm sick of these Ethically superior lame-ass threads... :mad:
I'm serious.
 
The Kill and Not the Hunt

It's not a matter of defining a specific "yard limit" for everyone. It's about developing as a hunter and shooting within your abilities.

People get caught up in the gear and the technology, and very rarely take the time to learn the craft. Learning the craft takes time, time most poeple don't have these days. The hunter education only goes so far. Time in the bush is key, allot of time.

It takes all kinds. The best we can do when we come across the damage casued by poor hunting is shake our heads and tell the story to educate the new folks that come in new and bloodthirsty.

People who take shots beyond their abilities don't give a #### about the animal in the first place. It's about the kill, not about the hunt, and that is the difference.

To be perfectly honest, I would have put the cow out of her misery if at all possible, regardless of the DNR. Just make sure you leave it to rot and don't harvest it.
 
I remember a pic of a deer running around with an arrow in its neck.
Y'all remember that?
The comments ranged from "why would someone shoot a deer in the neck with an arrow" to "the a-hole that did that should be charged", etc.
Nobody gave much thought to the idea that the deer may have moved at the instant of release, the arrow may have hit an unseen branch, etc.

There are risks in every shot, and I have seen deer missed at all ranges for various reasons.
The big thing to remember in long range hunting is that you cannnot go at it in a halfhazard way!
it takes proper equipment, range finders, and LOTS of practice.

It is legal, and is more than just shooting.
target shooting at long range and killing at long range are different things, and if you are not into this type of hunting , so what?
There are many that devote thousands of hours to it and are very good at it .

it's not for everyone, but it is also not anyone's right to denounce someone else's style of hunting, if it is being done properly.

varmints at long range are okay, but "game animals" are not?
Better get a reality check.....
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Thanks for the BS Ethics lesson... But are you sure that the cow didnt get attacked by a bear, wolf, bull moose during mating??????
How sure are you it was a bullet wound not a natural wound?
Assumptions are fatal...


Let nature take its course is the best advise they can give you...
Who are you to tell a guy who shoots at 1000 yards all day long they cant take an animal at 500 yards or beyond???
Because your unable doesnt mean the next guy cant.
and secondly, who is to say that you get up close and the bullet doesnt deflect by a twig, and wound it anyway...
BS ethics rant...
Keep em to yourself
 
gth said:
I dont care if someone wants to shoot an animal at 700yds, just dont call it hunting...............

Why not Greg? it is hunting... If someone can make the shot routinely, who are you or I to judge whether its hunting or not...
Try shooting a 700 yard group...
Because you cant do it, doesnt mean someone else cant...

The " You do it differently than I so its wrong" #### doesnt seem to cut it...
 
Putting the time and resources into learning to shoot long range under field conditions takes every bit as much effort as driving to within 200 meters of a love sick moose with a quad. The problem is, too many people don't know their own, or stay within their shooting limitations or abilities. The new super-duper ultra magnums are not a shortcut or substitute for putting time in at the range.

I read and here a lot about shooters in my area who take long shots at game or own big magnums. I also frequent a fairly busy rifle range and have to ask, where are these great shooters? I pay attention and very rarely see targets boasting the necessary sub MOA groups, even under calm range conditions. This is kinda scarey.
 
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DarrylDB said:
Why not Greg? it is hunting... If someone can make the shot routinely, who are you or I to judge whether its hunting or not...
Try shooting a 700 yard group...
Because you cant do it, doesnt mean someone else cant...

The " You do it differently than I so its wrong" s**t doesnt seem to cut it...

I'm sure there are guys who can shoot well at those distances and more power to them if they can do it regularil enough to hit an animal but it just doesnt fit my definition of hunting.

hunt: the pursuit and killing or capture of wild animals regarded as a sport
search: the activity of looking thoroughly in order to find something or someone
hunt: the work of finding and killing or capturing animals for food or pelts


There just isnt a whole lot of pursuit involved in the long range killing.

Sorta the same as I dont think many people consider "setting up in a field and shooting prarie dogs as far as the eye can see" as hunting. Its just shooting live targets.
 
gth said:
I dont care if someone wants to shoot an animal at 700yds, just dont call it hunting...............

Can't agree with you gth.

What about the guy who knows his field and sits back (way back) with his .50BMG and waits.

He certainly is hunting and from long range.:cool:

I don't like irresponsible hunters either, but the only effective thing to do I can think of is to go out and do my thing and mentor courtesy, honor and sportsmanship when I get a chance.:)
 
Mumptia said:
Can't agree with you gth.

What about the guy who knows his field and sits back (way back) with his .50BMG and waits.

He certainly is hunting and from long range.:cool:


OK, well let me change my direction here.

Call it hunting if you like..............I just wont accept it as such.
 
Well I guess our differences are more important than our love for the sport?

A style of hunting, how far you drive, how far you walk, the gun you use, how far you shoot, what type of game you hunt.... none of these things measure you as a hunter.
But your pursuit of your own ideals while respecting the game, the sport and other hunters certainly defines you as a sportsman!
 
another thing is between a gopher and a big game:

the gopher comes again when you miss him as a target, if you hit him not good he died anyway quickly.

a big game flewing away with its wound and is suffering.

Anyway we should have respect to the animal, and we have to be sure when we will pull the trigger, that we get the animal lethal.

Otherwise we will give the government more pressure to grade up the Hunting-regulations more and more restrictive. Good for Hunters which have not much experience and have no much practice with his rifle. They will walk and find nothing anymore.

In Sweden they have such regulations that the Hunter must pass each period of Time a shooting Test. If you miss you stay at Home.....
In Germany is each Hunter responsible for his bullet. And other Hunters and Farmers report a bad shoot to the Police. In each Police station is a Hunting expert officer. So everybody should lern how far can I shoot with my Rifle, everybody needs to Practice shooting.

Dont give the government a reason that he has to restrict the Hunting law more and more. Dont give the Anti - hunt lobby more and more reasons what they reach for.

(If somebody find a grammar or / mistake..... keep it )
 
I haven't seen (read) Bigredd so p...d off in a long time.
I know of very respected hunters that missed their intended target. A nice Documentary can say/// look the great hunter who maims animals ///.
It is not like that. The thought of the animal that I have wounded and got away kept bugging me, not other's...

And you can be sure it wasn't me who wounded that cow moose... we use semiautomatics here and go for the Texas heart shot with the fourth bullet. (we never shoot the fifth, unless an animal that was wounded by YOU comes by..) :dancingbanana:
 
BIGREDD said:
A style of hunting, how far you drive, how far you walk, the gun you use, how far you shoot, what type of game you hunt.... none of these things measure you as a hunter.
But your pursuit of your own ideals while respecting the game, the sport and other hunters certainly defines you as a sportsman!

I'd use that as my signature if Bigredd allows. (on another forum)
 
I hunt in the bush so I don't even have to attempt a long shot my max is about 200 paces. But if you can hit exactly where your aiming at from 700 yards away, then you've got my respect.
 
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