Super sniper or Leupold

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Thought and opinions wanted.
My Long range scope met with an accident and need another one/.
My question is Most thing being equal .30mm tube,over 40mm objective
side focus or rear focus. The only real variables would be Supersniper
would be a fixed power .And The Leupold would be VXIII type
Target/Tactical variable power.
and acouple a few hundred $$ in price.As well the waranty issue with
the Supersniper and the best waranty in the business with Leupold.
So my question is the quality and toughness of a Super sniper
combined with the lower price justify overlooking the waranty issue?
Stuff does happen!
Just to clarify it would sit on a Long range (1000yd+) 338 boomer.
Cant afford the Night force right now I Know some will suggest it.

regards
 
Burris XTR 3-12x50mm
Side focus, can be had illuminated
Better optics than the Leupold
Probably cheaper too
Clear and defined clicks, just the right stiffness so it wont disadjust in teh field
Return to zero

around 725-750$
 
Save your pennies until you can afford the Nightforce.

Seriously, I'd say Leupold for the simplereason that I've never used a Super Sniper (problematic to get in Canada from what I hear) and Leupold's are top notch quality. Mine have never let me down. I'm not familiar with the Burris 3-12 but I do have a couple of their 3-9's and they're as good as any Leupold.

I'd go with a 30mm tube and 50mm objective. Too, a sloped scope base might be in order to help you get out to 1000 yards.
 
Thanks for the input so far guys,
The 20moa base and 30mm tactcal rings were already in use with the
previouse scope. I have access to several Supersnipers already in Canada
Ranging in price from $325-$450CDN depending the model.
I laso have access to Leupolds And Super snipers in the US through some
of my old friends who are still in the field.
One of the first things I did when My scope met it s unfortunate demise(dont ask)
was call Rick on the Optisans.Being the straight shooter that he is,Rick suggested other options based on the rifle and its intended use.I'm Leaning to the
Leupold 6.5-20x50 with 30mm tube , or the 4.5-14 x50 .But I have heard such good things about the super sniper from a-lot if knowlegable people.and its half the price.but no Waranty in Canada.
would still welcom others to chime in.
decisions decisions.
regards
 
well I've looked through a Nightforce and still prefer Loopies. I've also looked through Burris scopes and sorry there is no comparrison in image quality or crispness or color transfer or fish eye or any of that. The Loopy is far far better. Go with the Loopy.
 
I vote for the SS .... I have several Leupolds and don't get what the big deal is.... I am also suspicious of their ability to track reliably (eg consistently) if you are adjusting the elevation/windage regularly..... My Tasco (16X) has been reliable (and tracks consistently) as has a 20X I borrowed and used. The rear parallax adjustment seems to work fine. Warranty of Leupold is apparently excellent. The warranty on the Tasco may be a problem assuming SWFA will deal with it. Having said that I haven't had to test either warranty ... yet. AP
 
Leupold's record speaks for itself. A little on the pricy side, but well worth the money. I have had a SS 10X, B&L 4200's and I 3 Leupold Tacitcal models, nothing better as far as I am concerned, and my favorite is still my entry level Vari-X III 3.5-10X40 Tactical with Duplex.
 
If you are on a buget the Super Siper is not bad though I'd stick to the 10x version myself. However, if you can swing it get a leupold mk4... I sold off my Super Sniper once I could afford a Leupold mk4 and have never looked back :D
 
I vote for the SS .... I have several Leupolds and don't get what the big deal is.... I am also suspicious of their ability to track reliably (eg consistently) if you are adjusting the elevation/windage regularly
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I have a Leupold Long Rang M3 and have done lots of shooting with it on a 700p in 308, 1173 to be exact as I just checked my barrel log. The ranges have been out to 1000 yards and in between and the elevation and windage has been adjusted on a regular basis. I have aslo done scope tracking tests and the scope has worked flawlessly.
 
Rotek said:
........I'm Leaning to the Leupold 6.5-20x50 with 30mm tube , or the 4.5-14 x50 .
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Hello Rotek ... :)

I've used the Leupold Mark 4 (6.5-20x50mm LR/T M1 Illuminated Reticle) scope on my .308 Sako TRG-22 for the last two years.

~Angel~ (my better half) also has one mounted on her new .308 Precision Rifle Custom built by Keith Cunningham at Milcun (click here)http://www3.sympatico.ca/milcun/. We've both had excellent performance and reliability using the Leupold's and shooting out to 600 meters at our annual Milcun training (two weeks per year), even in some pretty heavy rain.

.308 Precision Rifle Custom Built by Keith Cunningham (Milcun)

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First 5 rounds (scope zero as delivered) at 100 Yards with Federal 168gr Match

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Regards,
Badger
 
Save for the Nightforce.

Or if you are in the GTA come to Target Sports Center this Sat. (Tomorrow) and get a good deal on the Nightforce.

Link to TSC is on my links page.
 
If you can manage the expenditure.....buy the Nightforce. If you want to save a few dollars and roll the dice, try IOR. You might be lucky. I'm banking in a few years IOR will be comparible to Nightforce in reliability. Just too many reports of problems. The USA prices sure make it tempting though....
 
oh please, Leupold having trouble tracking? hmmm somehow I doubt that would be the case. They are the most used scope in service with sniper units and spec ops teams world wide. They track just fine.
 
Tracking problems? :shock:

~Angel~ does the "shoot the square" Milcun target, where you aim at a 1" square in the bottom left corner, shooting 5 rounds each time. You then move 5 MoA right, then 5 MoA up, then 5 MoA left and finally 5 MoA down.

All of the time, your aim point remains focused on the 1" square. When you check her targets, they all look like the group above, except they are exactly 5 MoA apart, with the last group of 10 rounds wiping out the black 1" square at the starting point.

I'm not sure if this is what is being referred to as a supposed problem with Leupolds, but I've never seen any varaiance or failure to hold zero using this exercise over dozens of targets in the last two years.

BTW, my scope has taken quite a beating while crawling through Milcun terrain doing "stalking" exercises. It's been filthy, rain soaked, beat against trees and ground while crawling, as well as dropped several times. Never a problem..... :D

Anyway, I have no vested interest in Leupold or any other brand, but based upon my postive experiences on two rifles, I've ordered a third 6.5x20 to get installed on my own personal sniper rifle that Keith is building. The only difference in it is I believe it will be one of the newer revisions that doesn't require me to be set on maximum zoom in order to use the mildots for measuring and judging distance. Apparently, that works on any zoom level, but I'm not completely sure about that.

EDIT: We have two SuperSniper 10x (side focus) scopes. One on ~Angel~'s M1A National Match and the other on my Norinco M305. They both work well, but IMHO, the Leupold is a superior built scope for long range shooting. Again, just our experience as users and not preaching gospel. We don't sell any of these products so have no vested interest in one over the other. Hope this helps ......... btw, Hungry currently has a SS (side focus) for sale at a good price in the EE Forums

Regards,
Badger
 
Slavex wrote
most used scope in service with sniper units and spec ops teams world wide
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That may well be... but I would be interested in the source of that piece of data.
Regardless... I am glad folks here have had positive experience with Leupold; and it is important to have confidence in our equipment. I am certain those of you who are happy with the company are getting a great result and I can't challenge that. BUT I simply haven't had any great epiphany with my Leupold scopes.

On the other hand I have certainly met lots of folks who look at the golden Leupold logo on my scopes and start to get ecstatic about their mythical qualities. Often they are guys who's pocket book dictates lower cost alternatives. I don't mind telling these guys that I still own a 1.5 - 4.5 Scopechief that is significantly brighter, contrastier and tracks better on a target than my Leupold Vari-x III 1.5-5x, 20 (which I ultimately got rid of because of excessive flare, in favour of a low range variable Zeiss Diavari).

My 12x S&B tracks better than my Leupold 12x (actually so does my 2.5-10 Balvar) when adjusting from 400 - 600 - 900 m. (eg I shoot better scores at varying ranges)

So my experience with the Leupolds I have owned is that they are just average. And I am not ready to drink that "Cool-Aid" just yet. regards AP
 
Here is the answer to all your questions. Call US Optics and have them build what you want. Nothing better then that. A fair bit of money, but certainly worth it in the end.
 
The US Army,US Airforce, US ArmySpec Op prefered scope of use as well as numerous PD's across Canada and the US.
If you are thinking of SuperSniper go with Alberta Tactical's Optisan scope
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Okay so has anyone other than Rick @ Alberta Tactical posted a report on the scope yet as this is a relatively new scope on the market I suggest caution.Comparing a Optisan scope to a Super Sniper is like comparing A Fiat 124 to its brother the Lada :roll: :lol: :lol: they may look alike but that is where the simularity ends I would myself go with the Leupold VXIII or MKIV scopes or the Nightforce series and if money is not a object then Schmidt & Bender ,US Optics and Ziess you cannot get high quaility optics for Cheap if you want an inexpensive scope then by all means get a Bushnell 10x40 mildot or if you can find a Super Sniper they are all well built and have a proven track record of use
 
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