SVT-40 "Obrez" ?

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While Googling SVT-40 pictures, I came across this:

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Weird looking contraption with a very questionable user safety, don't you think? I was wondering if this was a real deal and if there would be any historical background to it. At a first glance, it looks like it might be authentic, as there were many improvised weapon solutions during WWII. This could be some sort of a last-ditch short-distance weapon, perhaps... like the Mosin Obrez.

If so, then how would it cycle in semi-auto, since the gas port is missing... was it World's first and only 7.62x54R blowback design?

:eek:


Judging by the crudeness of the SVT-40 in above pic and the actual crudeness with which the Mosin-Nagant Obrez were made (pic below), the similarity might actually add to some authenticity :

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I have seen these on other sites, Russia Mafia made weapon using parts dug-up from WW2 battleground.
 
JP said:
I have seen these on other sites, Russia Mafia made weapon using parts dug-up from WW2 battleground.
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Ok... interesting. But why would they bother though?

I have always thought that the Russian mob gets brand new AKs and other fine firearms essentially from the same sources the Russian army gets them, lol. After all, there's no shortage of firearms in these parts of the world and never was, plus corruption runs rampant.

When the com block fell and Russian units were moving out of occupied territories (clearing their bases/units in other countries, such as Poland), the locals could literally get a full auto AK from the soldiers for a bottle of vodka. Gun control was only "strict" on paper... and lots of people were said to have acquired quite an inventory of "bad, scary guns" in those days. I'd assume that also included the various criminal organizations that happened to need guns.

:p
 
There is enough pressure for blow back, but its just not controlled. On the same note, anyone in the Armed forces knows that blanks will semi-fire well without the blank firing attachment (BFA) . In times of little, people were resourceful.

Does it work? Yes. Does it work well? No

I don't think I want to fire a X54R out of something that short.
 
These things pre-date the break-up ot the Soviet Union, when the Government had a firm control on the country.
 
I wonder what its history is. Soviet era gang gun, former soviet bloc country make-do coat gun, who knows. There was certainly enough good equipment laying in rivers and bogs, as well as in people's basements after the war, that something could be found with some effort. They're still finding it... just it's rusted now.
 
762mm said:
While Googling SVT-40 pictures, I came across this:

SVT_40PPSh_41matedsmall.JPG


Weird looking contraption with a very questionable user safety, don't you think? I was wondering if this was a real deal and if there would be any historical background to it. At a first glance, it looks like it might be authentic, as there were many improvised weapon solutions during WWII. This could be some sort of a last-ditch short-distance weapon, perhaps... like the Mosin Obrez.

If so, then how would it cycle in semi-auto, since the gas port is missing... was it World's first and only 7.62x54R blowback design?

:eek:


Judging by the crudeness of the SVT-40 in above pic and the actual crudeness with which the Mosin-Nagant Obrez were made (pic below), the similarity might actually add to some authenticity :

Obrez.JPG
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I'm betting no. 1 is a manually operated piece of junk. Never heard of these till recently, but I'm sure the concept is as old as weapons, which makes me wonder about the alleged story of how they were supposedly built to supplement a shortage of handguns in the post czar time. Obrez is a place name in Slovenia, which has me wondering how it relates.
 
This reminds me of a Martini-Enfield that I saw cut down to pistol length with a Webley revolver grip attached. Single shot, lever action pistol. I saw it 2 years ago at a gunshow in Orangeville, Ontario. Mean looking piece... if you were a 7 foot bear with hands and arms like a bear!
 
In Poland it was called "Obrzynek" which means cut off. They were almost always made during after war years as short improvised hunting guns for pouching. You could put it behind coat and no one would see it.
In my life I saw and played with three, one french berthier owner had only 7 bullets for it and two mausers both professionals alerted even iron sights were nicely reattached . I think there were German can't recall it it was 25+ years ago.

Another way for home made weapons was geting a flaregun (they also required license but were not registered, or could be removed from recue boats on ships) and making an insert for it normally 9mm luger or makarov.
 
fiddler said:
There is enough pressure for blow back, but its just not controlled. On the same note, anyone in the Armed forces knows that blanks will semi-fire well without the blank firing attachment (BFA) . In times of little, people were resourceful.

Does it work? Yes. Does it work well? No

I don't think I want to fire a X54R out of something that short.
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as one youtube comment said about a cut down mosin : "when you need to punch a fist sized hole in someones chest AND set his clothes on fire"
 
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