Swapping Optics for SR During match?

I think he was implying using the BDC or sub-tensions in a reticle for that, and not adjusting the turrets at that close of range...
 
^ it is a well known trick that people turn their Elcan bullet drop dial to 500m for the close range stuff. It is purely gaming IMHO and taking away the training value of doing this kind of shoots.
 
Using the scope to its full potential is hardly gaming. You won't find anyone on a Bisley team running off the BDC. Everyone shoots open gate. Some choose to dial closer in and some prefer a 100m zero with hold overs. Whatever method allows people to get results/kill the enemy is ok by me. When LFWA had all its top shooters in place in 2009 we used these methods to dominate the rest of Canada. Learning hold off is fine however forbidding people to use a proven method is simply forbidding your team to do well.
 
Even if you forbid them to use the bullet drop dial, they can simply choose a feature on the target as an aim point. While this still constitutes a hold over, they are likely not processing it as a hold over or as aiming at a facial/body feature. They're processing it as aiming at a white glob or similar as an aiming point. In practice, will hitting an inch or two low on a human really matter? Likely not. But in a competition, it may cost points. I think its unrealistic to expect people to do things the way they would in combat in a match that is shot at know targets at know distances. You end up mastering the match more than mastering the skills in many cases, and that's what the goal of the participants becomes.
 
All these competition techiques are ok in my book for midrange engagement, but fiddling the sight to set it at 500m and shooting little 2x4 rectangle at a cadence of 1 rd/sec at 7 yards are wrong. This is not "close range shooting" - it is just simulating long range shots with a small target at close range, like the cadats shooting .22 conversion kits in the basement at 20yards to simulate shooting at 200 yards.

Well, if you look at these "close range" shooting for the same reason the Cadats shoot in the basment , there is nothing wrong. However, if the objective is to teach soldiers to put down human beings at close range, I found the design of the matches as well as the gaming techniques very troubling.
 
Competition is hardly combat and vice versa. People should learn EVERY trick there is. You never know what will work!
And who's to say that if you rolled into a built up area you couldn't set you sights for the average engagement distance.
 
Longshot said:
Competition is hardly combat and vice versa. People should learn EVERY trick there is. You never know what will work!
And who's to say that if you rolled into a built up area you couldn't set you sights for the average engagement distance.
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X100!!! to what LS said.

As far as match 2 last year. The match itself was good, it was scoring, some people (no names because they know who they are and what Regiment they were from) need to learn how to READ and score this type of match. Guys trying to mark V's on a score sheet that has no spot for V's! HELLOOOO......

Just my 2 pennies.
 
Jay T said:
X100!!! to what LS said.

As far as match 2 last year. The match itself was good, it was scoring, some people (no names because they know who they are and what Regiment they were from) need to learn how to READ and score this type of match. Guys trying to mark V's on a score sheet that has no spot for V's! HELLOOOO......

Just my 2 pennies.
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I was more upset with tearing a .5" hole with 10 rounds and being told it was only 5 hits.
25 points gone, poof. The match was junk. Hard to score, slow to run and uneven firing ports were just a few of the flaws.
 
Gunnerlove said:
I was more upset with tearing a .5" hole with 10 rounds and being told it was only 5 hits.
25 points gone, poof. The match was junk. Hard to score, slow to run and uneven firing ports were just a few of the flaws.
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A ongoing problem the whole comp was scoring. Last year it seemed that the spirit of the comp was not there. Remember not long ago the shooter was given benefit of the doubt? I had a problem with my scorer until dirt diver 031 came over and sorted him out. GL I put 9 rounds pretty much in a .5" hole and pulled one about 1" right my scorer tried counting everyhole till DD031 came over and told him it was 9 and 1. Common sense was not very common I think this year u will see a different way of doing things. I guess we will see!
 
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