Swedish Mauser 6.5x55 iron sights question

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I have one of these and she is a real pleasure to shoot, however I use it at the 100 yard range AND the 300 yard. She is almost perfect at 300 but I'm aiming about a foot low @100. What would be the easiest way to sight it in at 100 and then use the rear sight adjustment when I hit the 300? Is there a replacement front sight that I could find?

Just curious what you guys would do. I know, I can just use it for the 300 but I'm not there as much as I am at the 100 and I really love the cartridge (fast and low recoil).
 
Let me get this straight, with the rear sight bottomed out, its hitting dead-on at 300, or with the rear sight set to 300 its hitting dead on at 300?
 
SWEDE RIFLE, what you have sounds like the original sights and yes they were set up for 300 mtrs. You can find a higher front sight that will bring you down to the 100 mtrs you want, internet and E-bay may find one. Do some research on the Swede rifles and check the # on your front sight.
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Swedish rifles are sighted for a zero of 300 meters. This means that the bullet hits ABOVE the line of sight at 100 yards. To achieve a 100 yard Zero, the front sight has to be HIGHER or the rear sight has to be lowered. Since the rear sight can not be lowered this means that the adjustment has to be at the front sight. A LOWER front sight will shift the point of impact higher. Therefore, you need a HIGHER front sight and not a lower one However, if a new higher front sight is installed, any ranges past 100 yards on the rear sight will now not correspond to the markings.

If your 100 yard target shooting is "informal", you can cut out a bullseye center of another target, pin it about a foot lower (the distance your rifle shoots low now at 100 yards" and simply aim at the auxillary sighting mark. This secondary sighting mark was a method used by old time shooters, and was know as a "bud."
 
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Swedish rifles are sighted for a zero of 300 meters. This means that the bullet hits ABOVE the line of sight at 100 yards. To achieve a 100 yard Zero, the front sight has to be HIGHER or the rear sight has to be lowered. Since the rear sight can not be lowered this means that the adjustment has to be at the front sight. A LOWER front sight will shift the point of impact higher. Therefore, you need a HIGHER front sight and not a lower one However, if a new higher front sight is installed, any ranges past 100 yards on the rear sight will now not correspond to the markings.

If your 100 yard target shooting is "informal", you can cut out a bullseye center of another target, pin it about a foot lower (the distance your rifle shoots low now at 100 yards" and simply aim at the auxillary sighting mark. This secondary sighting mark was a method used by old time shooters, and was know as a "bud."
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That's sort of what I have been doing... putting an item or target a foot below (or simply aiming a foot below), but I find myself on the 100 much more often than the 300, I figure I could use the 300 as 100 and the 500 as the 300. It's a bit weird (for me) to be always aiming way off target. I think I may replace the front blade, but keep the old one as it is marked for zero on the barrel and the blade. That way it can "go back" to 300. ?
 
Somerset Bar said:
I have one of these and she is a real pleasure to shoot, however I use it at the 100 yard range AND the 300 yard. She is almost perfect at 300 but I'm aiming about a foot low @100. What would be the easiest way to sight it in at 100 and then use the rear sight adjustment when I hit the 300? Is there a replacement front sight that I could find?

Just curious what you guys would do. I know, I can just use it for the 300 but I'm not there as much as I am at the 100 and I really love the cartridge (fast and low recoil).
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That's about right, it's how it's supposed to be... you can get a new front blade and file it to fit... I must have some new ones laying around somewhere...

To move up / down 12 inches @ 100 meters with a M/38, you need to add / remove 0.0675" (means 1.7145mm)
 
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Ah okay the front blade is marked -.5 so I would need a +1 ?
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BARIBAL has figured that you need to add 1.7145 mm to your present sight which wold make it 1.2145 sight height you need. ( minus .5 plus 1.7145 equals 1.2145 height sight needed.)

With a +1 sight you will still be a bit low. It would be better to get a +1.5 and file it down so that you get an exact height to fit your eyesight and ammunition used.

As far as using the 500 meter setting for 300 meters, it will probably be not exact and you will have to fire a few and adjust your sight, then note the setting.
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buffdog said:
BARIBAL has figured that you need to add 1.7145 mm to your present sight which wold make it 1.2145 sight height you need. ( minus .5 plus 1.7145 equals 1.2145 height sight needed.)

With a +1 sight you will still be a bit low. It would be better to get a +1.5 and file it down so that you get an exact height to fit your eyesight and ammunition used.

As far as using the 500 meter setting for 300 meters, it will probably be not exact and you will have to fire a few and adjust your sight, then note the setting.
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Yep, looking for a larger one now. :)
 
Somerset Bar said:
I have one of these and she is a real pleasure to shoot, however I use it at the 100 yard range AND the 300 yard. She is almost perfect at 300 but I'm aiming about a foot low @100. What would be the easiest way to sight it in at 100 and then use the rear sight adjustment when I hit the 300? Is there a replacement front sight that I could find?

Just curious what you guys would do. I know, I can just use it for the 300 but I'm not there as much as I am at the 100 and I really love the cartridge (fast and low recoil).
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Somerset, about a year ago there was a thread on this very same subject. A member ordered new front sights from some company in the US (companies name slips my mind) and was very happy with the results. Search that thread.
 
Since I hand load, what I'm going to try to do is try to build a load that gives me zero @ 100 yards with the sights as they are.

If I can't go that low with the powders I have on hand I'm going to try to emulate the 'torped' loads so the brass disk info will be correct. With mine the disk says '1' so that's 3.5"high @100 meters.

I'm going to buy dies this weekend and I have some Hornady 140.0gr on the way. They're flat base but should work OK. I've had great success with Hornady bullets in other calibers lately so I'm sticking with them.

I'll make sure to post back with results.

I have a few old imperial 160gr that I'm going to run over the chrony in the mean time next time I go to the range just for reference of what the factory loads do.

I think tailoring a load to suit the sights might be more fun than changing them, that could just be me though.

I hope I'm not hijacking the thread, just want to add! I love the old 6.5,just haven't toyed with it in years.
 
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Like I said, I'd like to find a load to correspond with the sights instead of changing them.

Maybe the gurus can tell me what I'm working with here. If we figure it out maybe we could ask the mods for a section of our own. There has to be enough of these rifles waiting to get get used out there!
 
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Since I hand load, what I'm going to try to do is try to build a load that gives me zero @ 100 yards with the sights as they are.

If I can't go that low with the powders I have on hand I'm going to try to emulate the 'torped' loads so the brass disk info will be correct. With mine the disk says '1' so that's 3.5"high @100 meters.

I'm going to buy dies this weekend and I have some Hornady 140.0gr on the way. They're flat base but should work OK. I've had great success with Hornady bullets in other calibers lately so I'm sticking with them.

I'll make sure to post back with results.

I have a few old imperial 160gr that I'm going to run over the chrony in the mean time next time I go to the range just for reference of what the factory loads do.

I think tailoring a load to suit the sights might be more fun than changing them, that could just be me though.

I hope I'm not hijacking the thread, just want to add! I love the old 6.5,just haven't toyed with it in years.
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I too load the hornady 140's but they're boat tail. Interested to see your findings as I never even considered changing loads instead of sights (although I very likely will change the sights and just work with the rear sights for 200 yards and 300 yards...)
 
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