SxS Shotgun Refurbs

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I have an old Parker Shotgun that someone in the past reblued (including the receiver) and I am interested in getting it stripped and re-colour casehardened, barrels blued and possibly restocked. Does anyone know of anyone who does the colour case?

Its a good old gun, but needs to be like it was.
 
I was hoping for someone more local/Canada and possibly a little more reasonable. I'd like to say I have a Turnbull resto...but the wife may disassociate me...from the bank account and.....things. :p
 
This is usually a very time consuming, VERY expensive, kind of project. I know as I have had a number of them done.

Barrels re-blued, receiver case hardened, stock refinished, furniture done etc, it's going to 2 grand and up from someone qualified to do it. That's not a re-stock, just a refinish. For a restock, add $2500 and the cost of the blank.

On top of that, with a gun like a Parker, it can DECREASE the gun's value to knowledgeable collectors.

If what you want to do is prepare the gun for another 100 years of use or you just want to ogle and fondle a beautiful gun that looks like it just walked out of the factory in 1905, I'm sure you'll be happy. Otherwise, it's a lot of money that is not usually reflected in a revised valuation for the gun.

If you still want to pursue it I'd be happy to suggest a couple of ways to go.

I have an old Parker Shotgun that someone in the past reblued (including the receiver) and I am interested in getting it stripped and re-colour casehardened, barrels blued and possibly restocked. Does anyone know of anyone who does the colour case?

Its a good old gun, but needs to be like it was.
 
Thanks canvas, appreciate the good overview. The money is quite the investment for sure. I didn't spend a whole lot on the Parker in the first place, so I wouldn't be worried about hurting any value, but on the other hand, the investment won't make it worth as much as the investment for colour and blue.....its a hard choice for sure.
 
Nick Makinson, Komoka, Ont. (519) 471 5462. If he's still in business, he's supposed to be as good as you can get.

In the current issue of Shooting Sportsman there's a tale about a guy wanting to restore an old Hussey. Price for a new buttstock? $7000 for labor alone. Makes $2500 seem like a real bargain.
 
On top of that, with a gun like a Parker, it can DECREASE the gun's value to knowledgeable collectors.

So true. Also, restoring colour case hardening is no simple task. You don't just touch it up or do it again. The temper must be taken out of the metal and then it can be redone.

It's not unheard of to have the result leave the metal too soft or, conversely, too brittle.
 
Its a 1912 Parker VHE 12ga. frame size 2. At some point in the past the receiver was blued but you can still see the remnants of the colour case in the water table well and on the inside of the forestock. Its a good shooter and tight as a......well let's say it got no wiggle. I got it for a good price because of the receiver blue.... but it really needs to be colour case hardened. I am pretty confident it wouldn't lose any value with a re-colour, it just wouldn't necessarily gain the cost of the re-colour back, and I think that's the issue.

I obviously don't want to ruin the gun with a brittle receiver, and unfortunately I don't know enough about the science of it to really appreciate the issues.
 
Straightshooter is right. The components can also warp during the process.

While I haven't used Nick in the past he is definitely one I would consider. A solid reputation. But there aren't many to choose from in Canada.

Here's a thought and maybe someone else with experience can comment. Is there a way to remove the blueing that would leave a reasonable finish? It shouldn't affect the case harding that currently exists.

I'm not trying to discourage anyone, just want you to consider all the factors in making the decision.

So true. Also, restoring colour case hardening is no simple task. You don't just touch it up or do it again. The temper must be taken out of the metal and then it can be redone.

It's not unheard of to have the result leave the metal too soft or, conversely, too brittle.
 
So true. Also, restoring colour case hardening is no simple task. You don't just touch it up or do it again. The temper must be taken out of the metal and then it can be redone.

It's not unheard of to have the result leave the metal too soft or, conversely, too brittle.

This is exactly what Nick Makinson told me. Colour case hardening is something that's done at the factory. To have it redone at a later date is a no no. It weakens the metal. It can be done but he doesn't recommend it.
 
Well the point that is being made is that (or what I am taking from it) it may be better to leave as is.

So then I have to ask, what about a guy like Turnbull who does some amazing restoration work, what's he doing differently?
 
Well the point that is being made is that (or what I am taking from it) it may be better to leave as is.

So then I have to ask, what about a guy like Turnbull who does some amazing restoration work, what's he doing differently?

Others may take a different view of this but here's how I see it.

Enthusiasts often come at things from entirely different perspectives. Here's an example outside guns. If you are into high performance sports cars, the world sort of divides into two camps....those that appreciate and value the teutonic engineering of Porche and those that favour the beauty and passion inherent in marques like Ferrari and Jaguar. Both like sports cars but they have vastly different yardsticks.

When we are talking old SxS's there are two divergent approaches, both held by people who love these guns. For simplicity sake I'm going to call the first approach the English approach. That is that these guns are made to be used and enjoyed and to do so properly they must be maintained. Occasionally that maintenance might require some significant work if the condition has been allowed to slide.

Alternately there is what I think of as the American approach. That view holds that the most valuable examples are those that have not been used. Are "as new" as a result of sitting in a case, cupboard or safe for the last 100 years.

Now this is a vast oversimplification, but I think these two viewpoint are the starting points for the attitudes of just about everyone I have come into contact.

Turnbull has spent a lot of time, as have others, becoming expert is restorations. In fact he is so good that his work is sometimes viewed as acceptable by those who really are looking for NIB but have a gun that REQUIRES work, for one reason or other. As a result Turnbull can charge some pretty good prices.

But, in regards to these prices, remember, the processes involved in restoration are extremely time consuming and properly done by master craftsmen/artisans. Their time IS worth money and the quality work produced reflects their care and passion for what they are doing. Without meaning to denigrate others, that is different than the average gunsmith.

What sets Turnbull apart is the quality of the work and the quality of his brand name (the result of his work and self promotion). There are others who do equally good work but who are not household names in this community.
 
Back to your original objective....getting the gun a little more in line with what it's supposed to be like.

The blueing shouldn't have removed the case hardened steel skin. So ideally, remove it and you might have a reasonable finish. Operative word is might.

Couple suggestions for removing the blueing: Naval jelly. Steel wool or you can try soaking it in vinegar then rinse and blow dry with a hair dryer.

What it will look like I can't say. But it's a start. Perhaps someone else has tried to solve this problem.
 
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