Sylvester road RCMP disscussion

Punisher-One said:
Keep at it. Show the people that dislike shooters that we care. Changing their minds doesn't happen overnight but it can happen.
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I concur, if we don't make ourselves heard people will begin to think we are so few that our issues don't matter anymore. We'll always be paddling against the current. But if enough of us paddle in the same direction we can get somewhere.
 
Punisher-One said:
"PART 5PROHIBITED AMMUNITION
Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 10

1. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a commonly available semi-automatic handgun or revolver and that is manufactured or assembled with a projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to be capable of penetrating body armour, including KTW, THV and 5.7 x 28 mm P-90 cartridges.

2. Any projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered to ignite on impact, where the projectile is designed for use in or in conjunction with a cartridge and does not exceed 15 mm in diameter.

3. Any projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to explode on impact, where the projectile is designed for use in or in conjunction with a cartridge and does not exceed 15 mm in diameter.

4. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a shotgun and that contains projectiles known as “fléchettes” or any similar projectiles."
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date? and I see mention of the 5.7x28mm p90 ammunition being prohibited on that list although the P90 rifle and FN57 pistol are legal in canada and so is the ammunition?


Tracers are designed to ignite by friction while flying through the air and not specifically on impact. In fact if shot from close enough a tracer will not ignite at all.
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I thought tracers are lit by the powder charge which takes time to fully ignite causing you to not see the effect if the target is close range......
 
Punisher-One said:
Okay I'll explain the semantics of my post. You've got the dictionary definition of "false imprisonment" so okay fine. I have always used "false arrest" to describe that scenario but I'll defer to your dictionary definition. "Unarrest" is the laymans/slang term those I work with use for "released without charge". Again semantics between you and I and I'll defer to your more proper definition if you like.

Again I reiterate that if the Officer "believes upon reasonable grounds" that the guy is committing an offense he can place them under arrest. So if the Officer believes on reasonable grounds that the magazines are prohibited he can place the guy under arrest. If it is then brought to the Officers attention that the magazines are not prohibited then the offense and the reasonable grounds for arrest are gone and the guy is "released without charge". If the Officer was acting "in good faith" (ie - not maliciously ignoring law or unduly persecuting the guy to be vindictive) then there is no case for "false imprisonment". Police/LEO are permitted to arrest and "release without charge" as part of their jobs on a daily basis. I've done this many many times under a variety of circumstances. Not once have I been sued.

So the short answer is no. No the guy could not have a case for "false imprisonment" based off this specific scenario. If he could prove the Officer acted with malice, prejudice, or was completely and utterly willfully ignorant to the law then he could have a case.

If you don't believe me than consult an attorney on the matter.
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Unfortunately the officer here is correct. Thou I believe the term he was going for was unlawfully detention.
 
Brian46 said:
then why was Irunguns pulling them out of the cases of 50BMG they were importing and saying they were illegal? they are still doing it now I believe with the cases on their website as they have not received the new regulations in writing

I also don't see any tracers on my local gun stores shelves yet, but if they were never illegal you would think at some point in the last 30years I would have seen them
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I bought a box of 9mm "Illuminated Trajectory" rounds from a mom-and-pop about 12 years ago. Last box I saw. I can't remember the actual name but I want to say it was a Hornady product of some sort.
 
sorry to jump in the tooing a froing of legalities of tracers and 50cal beowulf mags

but where may i ask is this sylvester road located?
is it a range or just government land that is used for a range?
 
Brian46 said:
that aside, It still does not explain why they are not on gun store shelves if perfectly legal.

I think we are getting off topic though so maybe another thread to discuss?
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It was already explained to you. NRCAN makes them difficult to import. They are not and never were illegal.
 
Shooter1971 said:
I think there are more Sylvester road threads then bear defense ones FFS. I'll never EVER shoot there....since I live in ON LOL
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you seem to be correct.
i am glad to live in Sask as no one really cares were you shoot
and Sask wouldnt be the same without the sound of gunfire.

maybe all the GVA members should all gather there in their droves one day.
that would be interesting to see what happens then
 
Brian46 said:
date? and I see mention of the 5.7x28mm p90 ammunition being prohibited on that list although the P90 rifle and FN57 pistol are legal in canada and so is the ammunition?
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It is the current regulation.
It seems to quantify that the ammunition be "designed, manufactured, or altered" to be armour piercing. I assume there are FN5.7 rounds that are NOT designed to be armour piercing and thus are permitted.

Brian46 said:
I thought tracers are lit by the powder charge which takes time to fully ignite causing you to not see the effect if the target is close range......
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Not the ones I know of. I don't purport to know all types of tracers but any type I know of the tip is ignited by friction through the air which, again, is why you don't see them ignite at close range. Watched a mythbusters episode where they stated the same thing.
 
Punisher-One said:
Not the ones I know of. I don't purport to know all types of tracers but any type I know of the tip is ignited by friction through the air which, again, is why you don't see them ignite at close range. Watched a mythbusters episode where they stated the same thing.
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It's a derail, but fairly certain the vast majority of tracers ignite from the base. A tracer that ignites a distance out is designed to do so. The delay makes it a little harder to figure out where it's coming from. Mythbusters doesn't exactly have a great track record when it comes to firearms. Anything that ignites from air friction alone is going to be mighty volatile - moreso than I would think would be safe, even if it has to hit 1000 m/s to do so. There may be friction ignited tracers, but I'd bet they're either an incredibly old design or very rare.
 
edojan said:
So LEO's own ignorance about the law (they are supposedly protecting) is considered to be a "reasonable ground"...as long as they "believe". I have heard the calls to "change the laws" or to make it less easy to (mis)interpret. How about enforcing some basic education on our LEOs before letting them enforce anything?
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They can always detain you until they finish double checking the criminal code.
Have you ever bother reading the criminal code of canada? Are you able to memorize all the laws listed in the criminal code?

Brian46 said:
then at what point is something called unlawful confinement? I have seen that charge before in the papers
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Everyone in canada can make an arrest if the conditions are met.
 
Punisher-One said:
It is the current regulation.
It seems to quantify that the ammunition be "designed, manufactured, or altered" to be armour piercing. I assume there are FN5.7 rounds that are NOT designed to be armour piercing and thus are permitted.
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The original two rounds, SS90 and SS190 were designed to be AP and thus are illegal. All the other flavours of 5.7x28 are not. SS190 is also LE only in the USA, and I don't think SS90 ever hit the public either, so you're unlikely to ever run into it.
 
Brian46 said:
then why was Irunguns pulling them out of the cases of 50BMG they were importing and saying they were illegal? they are still doing it now I believe with the cases on their website as they have not received the new regulations in writing

I also don't see any tracers on my local gun stores shelves yet, but if they were never illegal you would think at some point in the last 30years I would have seen them
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Brian46 said:
then why was Irunguns pulling them out of the cases of 50BMG they were importing and saying they were illegal? they are still doing it now I believe with the cases on their website as they have not received the new regulations in writing

I also don't see any tracers on my local gun stores shelves yet, but if they were never illegal you would think at some point in the last 30years I would have seen them
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If you read back to my earlier post you would note I stated 50 BMG API. Armor piercing incendiary rounds. Some deals in the US had miscellaneous 50BMG ammo with API rounds included. Not just tracers.
 
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