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Ya I guess I should have given more details,I'm looking for out of the box accuracy.I'll mostly be punching paper but will hunt with it,as far as budget I would like to keep it under 700.00.Stock material does'nt matter,bolt or semi does'nt matter although I think bolt actions are the more acurate of the 2?Now what about barrels,are the varmint/heavy barrels more acurate than the stock sporter type?.............Thanks J
 
Depends how close the "tacks" are.

Some CZ's are pretty darn good with perhaps a little trigger tweaking.

Not to much in new in the mid price range rifles has impressed anybody I know. (Like the Rem.504 or Browning T bolt)

Kimbers aren't supposed to leave the factory without meeting their accuracy standards, and then there's alway the Anschutz's.
 
For a bolt...CZ or Anschultz(cost of the latter is factor) for a semi(without any changes made)..the TC, if you plan on hotrodding it ...the 10/22.
 
the thing about 22's is that everybody loves what he got. CZ owners will say CZ, 10/22 owners simply haven's seen this thread yet. I personally prefer Remington 597 simply because I have one. Heavy barrel, laminate "evolution" stock, scope - all under 600$. Out of the box 3/4" at 50 yards all day long. You can go cheaper without heavy barrel but accuracy will suffer great deal. It is semi - needles to say semi is the way to go if you plan on taking it out hunting. I take it out hunting and on some other days I compete with it in 3 position and pretty much all the time its a winner. It actually is easier shooting standing with semi as you can squeeze two shots once you nailed QZ.
 
Don't even start with savage rimfire...I had a .17hmr savage bolt action and if the temp was below -8c then the stupid thing would missfire constantly...I lost 2 coyotes to that rifle and it's missfires....turned out that they pack their bolts with lots of grease or something from the factory...I cleaned the bolt and re lubed it with better stuff and didn't have another problem then I traded it for a ruger 10/22 which is a great gun and has an infanite amount of options available for it. A buddy of mine could consistantly take gophers outside of 60yrds with his and it wasn't modified.
 
Now, what would anyone be doing shooting at coyotes with a rimfire. If that doesn't take the cake. I have to confess that my .22 is an Anschutz but I wouldn't want to carry it too far into the bush without dolly wheels. Having a rifle misfire from excess lube....Savage or not...is not the rifle's fault! Rifles should always be disassembled and degreased before any use. Savage no good eh? Can't believe that someone hasn't come to their rescue.
 
^^ what he said. It is silly blaming rifle for factory grease slowing downyour firing pin. Regarding Savage MkII with accutrigger and heavy barrel - thats what my son takes into the bush. I didn't mention Savage earlier because I think semi's have a bit of advantage in fun factor and while hunting. Savage would be my choice #2 right after Remington 597. Can't comment on anything else, there are probably few other good choices. Those two never pretended to be top notch match rifles but they stand ground against 2000$ rifles in 3p matches. Go figure.
 
Brno's rock!

Brno models 1 through 5. I think they stopped making them in the late 70's, but I may be mistaken about the year...

My personal preference are the target model 3 & 4's. Very plain utilitarian looking bolt action rifle with a nice hefty 28" bull barrel, target crown, factory peep sights as well as patrige sights and an incredibly strong action (basically a scaled down mauser).

They are the "original" CZ's (CZ 452 is basically a copy of the Brno) - handmade behind the iron curtain. Build quality is incredible. Mine was made in 1953, and the build quality is better than that of any other long gun I own, which is impressive for a .22 rimfire!

One just sold here yesterday or the day before for $300, a good deal.

Just my $0.02 ;)

TFC:)
 
Savage Mark II FSS AccuTrigger - I had three, with #2 and #3 being warranty replacements, starting with the first in January 2007.
#1 - Crown - January '07 rifle
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#2 - Barrel rusted, a stainless barrel. Crown almost as bad as #1 - July '07 rifle
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#3 - Crown - worst of the three - September '07 rifle
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So, yes, Savage is bad these days. That's three examples of the same rifle, from three different production runs. The third was even looked after by Greg Sage, a vice president and head of quality control. That crown, OKed by the head of quality control, personally. Rifles #1 and #3 had concentric rings of pits in the bores, presumably from worn out pilots on crowning and chambering tools chattering around in there while crowning/chambering. I don't know what else could cause it. Now, I know people have been happy with their Savages, but, I don't know how anyone could be happy with anything like the three I had this year. Maybe they made good stuff in previous years, but the three I got over the course of this year were garbage, one and all.
 
Nice war starting up!!!!

Keeping the original question in focus....I have had or have an Anschutz target rifle (single shot), 10/22, Savage Mk II BV, Remington 597, Savage 93GL (22 Win Mag), Savage 93R17 BVSS.

The last two are magnum rimfire guns - both priced reasonably low and shoot great! Either could be a good option if you want a hunting rifle with more punch than a 22lr - and - also good on paper. They're all ammo specific - every rimfire has it's preference. You have to experiment to find the ammo yours likes to eat.

I'll give my rank for the listed 22 LR's for accuracy with comments:

#1 Anschutz - hands down THE most accurate 22 I have ever owned - one small ragged hole at 50yds. It's a single shot and not a hunting gun at all. The trigger is AWESOME at 10oz. You get what you pay for and these are in the $1000+++ range (rifle only - no sights).

#2 a tie between Savage MkII BV and Rem 597 in accuracy. I'd pick the 597 out of these due to lower price and as a hunting gun, a semi 22 is way more fun. I have to say I did put a VQ hammer and extractor in the 597 to improve the performance - without the upgrades Savage gets #2 spot - otherwise, it's a tie...Still, if cost is a factor, the 597 WITH the upgrades is better value than the Savage.

#3 10/22 - a distant 3rd place. Mine was a POS for accuracy. Fun to shoot - lots of mods available if that's your thing. Some guys swear by them - not me.

Good luck ! SD
 
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When did you buy your Savages? Before 2007? And do the crowns on them look like they were made by throwing some 40-grit sandpaper on the ground and twisting the end of the barrel in it like mine did? The timeline interests me, because I know there are lots of people here and on rimfire central that are extremely happy with their Savages. And I know some people found poor quality control like I did.
 
22lr said:
the thing about 22's is that everybody loves what he got.
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Nope! I reccommended CZ and Anschutz and presently own neither. I have owned in the past a multitude of 22's going from Lakefield Mossbergs, Savages, up to Walthers and Anschutz's and have certainly shot against some very fine rifles.

If one is truly hooked in the accuracy game, you might as well spend the money now, because it will be cheaper in the long run. With a bit of luck and tweaking, a brand new, relatively inexpensive CZ Varmint could be the ticket.
 
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