Tactical scope under 650$

alberta tactical rifle said:
Can I ask how you can make a statement like that? From experience?? Not likely.

Anyone who has ACTUALLY shot a 50 BMG knows that the recoil is highly blown out of proportion by those who have never fired 1, most 338 Lapuas have brakes so they also have rather mild recoil compared to many other calibers. Though not a great fan of Bushnel, they will certainly take the recoil from either of these calibers with no problem.
I build 338 Lapuas, 50s and BIGGER for a living, and have likely fired more 50 cal ammo from 50 BMG bolt action rifles over the last 40 years than anyone else in Canada so believe I have enough experience to question your statement.
I suspect that I probably own more 50 cal rifles "personally" than anyone else in Canada and I KNOW the only outfit that has more 50 cal ammo, and loading components in Canada, than I do, is the DND.
Understand I am not bragging here, just stating facts that can be easily verified, it irritates me when I see information posted that is nothing more than male bovine manure.
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I was informed that the Falcons are Super Snipers under a different brand.

The Super Sniper WILL take the recoil of a .50BMG rifle because I have fired one.

I have a PGWDTI Timberwolf in .338LM, with a S&B 3-12x50 PMII LR, and the recoil is like firing an FN FAL because of the very effective brake.
 
I'll be buying a Menace soon, I hope. Looking forward to next year's Summerland long range shoot. :D
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Can I ask how you can make a statement like that? From experience?? Not likely.

Anyone who has ACTUALLY shot a 50 BMG knows that the recoil is highly blown out of proportion by those who have never fired 1, most 338 Lapuas have brakes so they also have rather mild recoil compared to many other calibers. Though not a great fan of Bushnel, they will certainly take the recoil from either of these calibers with no problem.
I build 338 Lapuas, 50s and BIGGER for a living, and have likely fired more 50 cal ammo from 50 BMG bolt action rifles over the last 40 years than anyone else in Canada so believe I have enough experience to question your statement.
I suspect that I probably own more 50 cal rifles "personally" than anyone else in Canada and I KNOW the only outfit that has more 50 cal ammo, and loading components in Canada, than I do, is the DND.
Understand I am not bragging here, just stating facts that can be easily verified, it irritates me when I see information posted that is nothing more than male bovine manure.
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F*CK'N A :cool:
 
FWIW, I was talking to Paul Reiben from Rangesports Unlimited yesterday, and he urged me to check out the Vortex line of scopes, saying the glass was amazingly good. I only had about 2 minutes to drop in at the Powderkeg in Kamloops, and they are reasonably priced (the most expensive being under $700.00) and the glass did look good to me. Don't know if they'd be considered "tactical" though, as the ones I saw had only crosshairs, no hash marks, mil-dots, or anything.
 
I quite enjoyed the posts as it seems not many have shot any of these boomers.

As ATR said, the recoil on these boomers are set up to be relatively mild. I KNOW the average hunter has felt much more recoil shooting a 300WM then they ever will with a properly set up/braked Lapua, Chey Tac or 50BMG.

The big, and this is a huge difference is the concussion and vibration of air that rattles the scope and shooter. You don't need new shoulders because that monster brake is redirecting all that exhaust gases to save our hide.

You know you have pulled the trigger on one of these guns (you might even have stars in your vision from the concussion). But your shoulder is jarred (like a good 12ga load/30-06), not slammed like shooting a 30cal magnum hunting rifle or slug gun.

The next part is the what kills the scopes - negative G's.

Positive is the rearward force that we are all familiar with. Those that have shot a braked rifle will also experience the pull that happens right after the push.

This negative G destroys many scopes no matter the brand or price IF the internals are not braced for it. For the lenses, there needs to be support on BOTH sides of the lenses.

An African HUGE boomer scope might only last a few rds on an air rifle. Massive reinforcements for positive G's but none for negative.

Ironically, most of the Chinese specials ARE set up for air rifles mainly because that is what their domestic markets can shoot. Their glass may be crap (uncoated with mediocre resolution) but their mechanicals are surprisingly robust. The tracking can also be really good.

I have a number of dirt cheap low end Bushnells that will track as well as any mega dollar scope (better then some that I have seen at matches). Although I haven't bothered using them, one is set up for air rifles so would handle the negative G's.

Whether the plastic internals handle the vibration and concussion is unlikely.

So if you want to put a find a decent scope for a boomer, look to see if it is air gun safe. If so, it will likely do just fine on that rifle.

Bushnell Elites, Nikon Monarchs, some Sightrons will do just fine on these boomers.

With the offshore supply of optics, price is not a good indicator of performance. There are many scopes that will give equal, even better performance for significantly LESS money.

And yes, I say that from buying and testing a variety of product.

Jerry
 
Pietro Beretta said:
F*CK'N A :cool:
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Originally Posted by alberta tactical rifle
Can I ask how you can make a statement like that? From experience?? Not likely.

Anyone who has ACTUALLY shot a 50 BMG knows that the recoil is highly blown out of proportion by those who have never fired 1, most 338 Lapuas have brakes so they also have rather mild recoil compared to many other calibers. Though not a great fan of Bushnel, they will certainly take the recoil from either of these calibers with no problem.
I build 338 Lapuas, 50s and BIGGER for a living, and have likely fired more 50 cal ammo from 50 BMG bolt action rifles over the last 40 years than anyone else in Canada so believe I have enough experience to question your statement.
I suspect that I probably own more 50 cal rifles "personally" than anyone else in Canada and I KNOW the only outfit that has more 50 cal ammo, and loading components in Canada, than I do, is the DND.
Understand I am not bragging here, just stating facts that can be easily verified, it irritates me when I see information posted that is nothing more than male bovine manure.
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F*CK'N A

Well gentlemen, maybe mr PB would like to let us know why he was sugesting the 4200 with all due respect???

As far as Mr ATR is concerned I am impressed by his experience with the .50s but not too impressed by his quick manners and language.
He thinks... that the Bushnell would certainly take the recoil but for how many rounds??

My comment was made possibly too quickly and my experience is based on firing a similar bushnell on a Ruger No 1 .338-378 WM 30 inch barrel mounted by Guntech. The scope did not fail in terms of breakage but it lost its repeatability and I did remove and replace with MK4 M1 16X w/o problem.

Eye relief was also a concern but here again feel free to test yourself.....

So this is my experience and it is certainly worth as much as many that are simply expressing their opinion without this famous rant on and off button.

Now if Mr PB wants to donate his scope as an experiment here, I am willing to pay him a new one if said scope can endure simply a 1000 round test on a mild .50 cal. I can forward the money to the moderator as a proof of seriousness.

If it fails, you and Mr ATR pay me one scope each ( in money please). Are you ready??

I am simply putting my words, my mouth and my money on the same spot. Will you too guys??

Brakes have a tendancy to create a reciprocal recoil or impulse that is hard on glass.


No hard offence and certainly no rant here.

If you reply please stay civilized.

BB
 
Boom-Boom said:
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Originally Posted by alberta tactical rifle
Can I ask how you can make a statement like that? From experience?? Not likely.

Anyone who has ACTUALLY shot a 50 BMG knows that the recoil is highly blown out of proportion by those who have never fired 1, most 338 Lapuas have brakes so they also have rather mild recoil compared to many other calibers. Though not a great fan of Bushnel, they will certainly take the recoil from either of these calibers with no problem.
I build 338 Lapuas, 50s and BIGGER for a living, and have likely fired more 50 cal ammo from 50 BMG bolt action rifles over the last 40 years than anyone else in Canada so believe I have enough experience to question your statement.
I suspect that I probably own more 50 cal rifles "personally" than anyone else in Canada and I KNOW the only outfit that has more 50 cal ammo, and loading components in Canada, than I do, is the DND.
Understand I am not bragging here, just stating facts that can be easily verified, it irritates me when I see information posted that is nothing more than male bovine manure.
Rant mode OFF

F*CK'N A

Well gentlemen, maybe mr PB would like to let us know why he was sugesting the 4200 with all due respect???

As far as Mr ATR is concerned I am impressed by his experience with the .50s but not too impressed by his quick manners and language.
He thinks... that the Bushnell would certainly take the recoil but for how many rounds??

My comment was made possibly too quickly and my experience is based on firing a similar bushnell on a Ruger No 1 .338-378 WM 30 inch barrel mounted by Guntech. The scope did not fail in terms of breakage but it lost its repeatability and I did remove and replace with MK4 M1 16X w/o problem.

Eye relief was also a concern but here again feel free to test yourself.....

So this is my experience and it is certainly worth as much as many that are simply expressing their opinion without this famous rant on and off button.

Now if Mr PB wants to donate his scope as an experiment here, I am willing to pay him a new one if said scope can endure simply a 1000 round test on a mild .50 cal. I can forward the money to the moderator as a proof of seriousness.

If it fails, you and Mr ATR pay me one scope each ( in money please). Are you ready??

I am simply putting my words, my mouth and my money on the same spot. Will you too guys??

Brakes have a tendancy to create a reciprocal recoil or impulse that is hard on glass.


No hard offence and certainly no rant here.

If you reply please stay civilized.

BB
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I have clients who have used 4200s on 50s with great success, most replaced them more from a lack up elevation and clarity than failure.
I am not a huge fan of Busnell products but would not have any issue using 1 on a 50 if that was all I could afford.

I agree with you that eye relief is better on a NF or S&B scope, but if the rifle is truly fitted to the shooter, this should not be a big issue.

We imported an off shore scope line as few years ago, and part of the deal was that we were to test these scopes on a 50 as the maker wanted to use the propaganda generated for sales reasons. These scopes were about the same as the 4200 for quality, and we could not get 1 to fail despite our best efforts on a 50. I told them before we started, use a sharp recoiling rifle like a big Wby or an air rifle if you really wanted to test them, the 50s recoil is not harsh, the concussion can be as there is a ton of air being discharged 30 plus inches from your face.

Brakes do create positive and negative recoil, for sure.

The recoil however from a 25 lb or more rifle is completely different from a 10 lb rifle. The recoil is much slower beginning , lasts longer and decreases slower, this is just plain physics, giving more of a push than the sharp recoil characteristics that smaller hard hitting calibers like the 30x378 type calibers generate.

As for your proposal, if you are willing to pay for the 1000 rounds of ammo, so we can test your theory, I am willing to shoot it for you.
I assume you don't really want to pony up $6000.00 for a rifle on top of the $10000.00 for the ammo. IF the 4200 fails I would then be happy to cover the cost of the scope for you.

If I upset you I apologize, I just get fed up with all the "experts" who know everything about a 50 but have never shot 1. From politicians, to gun shop clerks, there is more male bovine manure spread about what a 50 does , can do, recoils like, and how it destroys animals when shot with 1, than 100 stockyards can produce in a century, combined.
 
Bushnell Elite 3200 10x? This is a very basic scope and is only 10x but I know for a fact (read it in an article in a Barrett annual) that Barrett used to ship one of his 50's with the 3200 10x as a package deal. As far as I've read Barrett doesn't do anything half assed so it should be more than solid enough for the 338...just my 2....

Edit: I know the doubting thomas' will show up so here's proof taken from the web:

ht tp://www.50bmgs.com/Armalite_Pricing.html

Barrett Pricing - Please email or call with any questions. Thank You, Scott

Barrett 99 50BMG CQ Kit 25" w/ Barrett Rings, Bushnell Elite 3200 10X, Otis Cleaning Kit & Pelican 1750 case - $3775

Barrett M99 50BMG 29" Kit with Barrett Rings, Bushnell Elite 3200 10X, Otis Cleanig Kit, & Pelican 1750 case - $3775

Barrett M99 50BMG 32" Kit with Barrett Rings, Bushnell Elite 3200 10X, Otis Cleanig Kit, & Pelican 1750 case - $3775

Barrett M99 .416 32" Kit with Barrett Rings, Bushnell Elite 3200 10X, Otis Cleanig Kit, & Pelican 1750 case - ?

Barrett M95 50BMG 29" with Pelican case, Otis Cleaning kit, 5 round magazine - $5850

Barrett M82 50BMG 29" with Pelican 1750 and Otis Cleaning Kit - $7900

Barrett M82 50BMG Kit with Barrett Rings, Leupold 54560, Otis Cleanig Kit, Mono-Pod & Pelican 1750 case - $9200

Barrett Scope Rings - $185

Barrett M82 Magazine - $125

Barrett BORS System - $1450
 
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stevebc,

I have the top model Vortex Viper and it's a great scope for the money (with an amazing warranty). Glass quality was excellent when comparing it to my Bushnell Elites, Nikon, Mueller, etc that I own... then I bought a Nightforce from ATR.

Vortex now resides on a varmint rig :)

The new models are available with some sort of hash mark reticle
 
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