Tactical Solutions X-Ring Trigger Problem

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I have a new TacSol X-Ring that has the problem that the trigger does not re-engage when cycled (well document issue here and on similar forums). The retailer has offered to send a new set of springs for the trigger and the tech at Tactical Solutions says the springs "should solve the trigger problem".

Has anyone here dealt with this problem and ended up with a totally reliable trigger/action?

I am trying to avoid a trial and error approach to resolving this and am afraid of ending up with a finicky rifle. If I am not confident that springs are the solution I will return it. I can not afford to drop a Volguartsen or Kidd trigger set in it.

And experience and/or advice would be greatly appreciated
 
Was any manual included that describes trigger adjustment? Are they sending the springs free of charge? Might as well try them if free, if it doesn't work then return it.

Sometimes a 1/4 turn of an adjustment screw or a little more spring pressure is the difference between a trigger that works and one that doesn't. I'm afraid I can't be of more help than that for this model.
 
Thank you for the feedback, I will need to check if the TS trigger is adjustable. Yes they are sending springs for free but I'd rather be target shooting than trouble shootingšŸ˜‹
 
It's not the springs. I had the exact same problem with my own X-Ring. It's the little set screw inside that sets the travel between the break point and the reset point. It is easily capable of being adjusted from where the gun won't reset at all to where it starts to bounce and double fires. In between there is about a half turn worth of working adjustment range. Yeah, it's super sensitive.

Best of all (serious sarcasm mode here) there was no thread locker on it or any other friction holder to keep it in place. So it wanders around and goes out of whack.

The good news is that it's all there. You can fully adjust all this stuff in the trigger group while it is out in your hands. Lift the action and barrel out of the stock and slip out the pins so the trigger group drops free. Now you can examine to find the screws. There's an "L" shaped arm that is part of the disconnector system that is in the middle of things and it has a set screw in it that works against another part. That is the screw that controls the disconnect and the reset point. There's also a screw for the rear travel limit you can set while you are in there. And I'm pretty sure there was a forward travel adjustment as well. It's been close to a year or more since I was into mine. The thing is that the screw on the disconnector arm in the middle of things sets not only the reset point but is also the trigger sensitivity screw. So you're adjusting the two things at once. Set it too "tight" so the creep is right on the edge of "none" and it alters the ability to catch the hammer and closes the reset distance. So a little give and take was needed. The trick is to set the hammer then with a stick or something to prevent it winging too far forward pull and hold the trigger back. Then try to #### the hammer. Play with that little screw so that it does reset and is not right on the ragged edge. If it is the reset will be too close to the break and you'll get hammer follow and sometimes a double tap.

Once you play with the range of adjustment and find the sweet spot you like now you can remove the set screw while counting the turns. Degrease the threaded hole and the screw and apply blue thread locker. Turn it back the same amount and double check your settings. After all 1/8 of a turn makes a pretty big difference and is enough to change it from "just right" to "not working at all". Let it set up without any more disturbances. Once cured you can make one or two very small changes but if you move it too much you'll need to re-apply the thread locker.

Another option if you want to try it and to keep the screw adjustable is to remove the screw and then run a single fiber of very fine Spectra or similar fishing line down through the hole. This should give it enough friction to stay in place. And the durable Spectra fishing line should not become shredded by the screw threads. Nylon monofilament might work if you can find any thin enough. Oh, and perhaps try some waxed dental tape. That's a flat form of dental floss and is tough as blazes. That might be a nice friction material as well. When you get it set right there should be firm "half tight" effort needed to move the screw at all.

While it is opened up take the time to set the rear stop for the post break travel down to where it only moves the end of the trigger about a half mm after the break. Between that and the fairly tight reset point (which would then want to be about 2.5mm off the rear stop) you'll LOVE the trigger.

Good luck. Take your time and remember that the sensitivity screw is hellishly sensitive. So make it so the end just sticks out and barely touches the other part and then move it literally a half turn at a time and try the trigger held back and hammer cocking until it works. Then go a little past to find out how much you have to work with before it fails again in teh other manner or the screw falls out the other side of the hole.
 
Thanks for that, I hope it is not as complex as it sounds, I will need to look for some videos to make sure I understand how this mechanism works. My gun is brand new so I am a little concerned about getting too far into trigger adjustments and risk screwing it up. The online gun shop only accepts warrantee questions on Mondays ��, so I will need to wait to talk to them because I do not want to jeopardize the option to return the rifle. This rifle was too expensive to be a repair project straight out of the box.
 
Does anyone have an assembly drawing or other details to help me tear down and adjust my x-ring trigger or is it essentially the same as a Ruger?
 
Just a few steps away from a working trigger, so easy and intuative that no instructions are necessary. Wish me luck, I'm going in.IMG_0448.jpg
 

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Well that didn't go well, the pins are press fit so tightly into the trigger body that they barely budged. Don't want to pound on it with a sledge hammer so I'm quitting this do-it yourself project and returning this gun. Maybe Tactical Solutions could have sent a complete working trigger to help out a new customer with a defective gun. Now I need to find another gun to use all the 10/22 magazines and ammo I boudgt.
Wish Kidd or Volquartsen had better Canadian distribution.
 
I don't recall having to take the pins out. But it was well over a year ago and there's been a lot of shop and gun tinkering in between.

What I find amazing is that there's nothing at all about the trigger group on You Tube and even TS has no writeups on the trigger group that I can find.

I'll pull the trigger out of mine later today and refresh my memory.
 
Jtreb said:
Well that didn't go well, the pins are press fit so tightly into the trigger body that they barely budged. Don't want to pound on it with a sledge hammer so I'm quitting this do-it yourself project and returning this gun. Maybe Tactical Solutions could have sent a complete working trigger to help out a new customer with a defective gun. Now I need to find another gun to use all the 10/22 magazines and ammo I boudgt.
Wish Kidd or Volquartsen had better Canadian distribution.
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Do you have a vice? You could press them out with one if you do.
 
The pins do need to come out in order to install the new components provided. I do have a vice but I wasn't comfortable using it as a press to drift the pins out. The rifle is brand new and I was worried I would damage something. I do like tinkering with my guns to get them just how I like them but now I am just frustrated with gun, the manufacturer and the retailer.
 
Understandable, everyone has a different comfort level for working on things. Have you asked them if they could do the work on the trigger group for you?
 
Yes, I am sure the retailer would do the work and return the gun, but that will all have to happen through the mail. One issue I've been having is the store claims to offer a "satifaction guarantee" but the one guy that handles warrantee issues only works Mondays. I guess I just don't have the patients to wait till the proper day to ask questions. As it is, I am waiting till Monday till the guy comes in to send me the return paperwork.
 
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