Tactical Walls

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shawn

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Wanstalls,

You repeatedly post in tactical walls threads that "These are classified as safes"

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1145527-Tactical-Walls-Storage-Solutions-AVAILABLE-NOW?p=16892564&viewfull=1#post16892564

And yet any time anyone asks for proof of that statement you lock the thread or ignore it.

Can you please clear this up for us by answering the following:

1) What department of the Canadain government classifies firearms safes in Canada
2) The documentation you have saying they meet the legal requirements for a firearms safe in Canada despite them not meeting the definition of a firearms safe as ruled in court

Thanks for your time and I look forward to your reply

Shawn
 
It’s a lockable cabinet . Not a safe . Under Canadian law . But to anyone looking it looks like a mirror or shelves
 
The government left the specific definition of what constitutes a "firearms safe" so open ended as to easily be open to interpretation when they want to seem as not acceptable.
This could have been easy given building regulations and engineering specifications, but this is their loophole.
Technically, a Hugh school locker meets minimum requirements. Until someone steals your firearms.
Then you get charged with unsafe storage.
It has happened.
There was a fellow that stored his handguns in safes, inside larger safes.
Forensic evidence showed it took nearly 3 days to cut through all the safes. Owner had "unsafe storage" charges brought against him.
They won't tell you what you have to meet, but will charge you when you don't meet these unknown requirements.
 
Just think if you showed the video to a judge or jury opening with only a magnet would they deem it a safe ? Then go from there .
 
We submitted samples to nwest and they determined that certain models where considered safes and those are the ones we bring in.

Ultimately your level of security is up to your discretion and you should take whatever steps you feel are necessary to secure your firearms.

There is no governing body who determines what is or is not a safe nor is there a certificate for such things.

Also the firearms act clearly states the following

"(ii) stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked; and"

and for reference we locked the thread because it was a 3 year old necro thread

-Matt
 
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WanstallsOnline said:
We submitted samples to nwest and they determined that certain models where considered safes and those are the ones we bring in.

Ultimately your level of security is up to your discretion and you should take whatever steps you feel are necessary to secure your firearms.

There is no governing body who determines what is or is not a safe nor is there a certificate for such things.

and for reference we locked the thread because it was a 3 year old necro thread

-Matt
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Thanks for the reply Matt

My reference was not just for that thread and I understand why you locked it.

So you state there is no such thing as a safe certification nor a department of government that certifies things as safes under the firearms act. While at the same time saying you received approval from NWEST that they are safes, despite them having no legal authority to "classify" them as such or legal authority to tell you what is and is not a safe.

Do you not see the issue with doing this? With you being a company, what you post holds authority for many. Especially about products you carry when they ask about them.

You as a company are telling people the these are legal as "safes" and classified as such when that is not the case. I have no issue with the sale of these and hope they do well for you. The issue I have is you telling people that may not know the law that these are legal as "Safes", which they are not as defined by the case law on safes in Canada.

Are you able to provide anything, in writing, form NWEST saying these are safes? And do you provide that with purchase?

All I am asking is to please stop telling new people these are safes.

Shawn
 
shawn said:
Thanks for the reply Matt

My reference was not just for that thread and I understand why you locked it.

So you state there is no such thing as a safe certification nor a department of government that certifies things as safes under the firearms act. While at the same time saying you received approval from NWEST that they are safes, despite them having no legal authority to "classify" them as such or legal authority to tell you what is and is not a safe.

Do you not see the issue with doing this? With you being a company, what you post holds authority for many. Especially about products you carry when they ask about them.

You as a company are telling people the these are legal as "safes" and classified as such when that is not the case. I have no issue with the sale of these and hope they do well for you. The issue I have is you telling people that may not know the law that these are legal as "Safes", which they are not as defined by the case law on safes in Canada.

Are you able to provide anything, in writing, form NWEST saying these are safes? And do you provide that with purchase?

All I am asking is to please stop telling new people these are safes.

Shawn
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what case law are you referring to that links to Tactical Walls?
 
WanstallsOnline said:
what case law are you referring to that links to Tactical Walls?
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There is no case law on specifically Tactical walls, what was ruled on was the legal definition of a safe as referenced in the firearms act

And the definition was that is be all metal and locking, which tactical walls are not

Shawn
 
R Vs Hary Barnes:

[21] Since a breach ofthe regulation leads to a criminal charge, there must be a discernable
standard for licensed individuals to meet in storing automatic firearms: seeR. v. Smillie, supra at
~35. In my view, an interpretation of the word "safe" in its ordinary, dictionary meaning of a
metal container with a secure lock is consistent with the objectives of the legislation and the
intent of Parliament.
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https://www.canlii.org/en/on/oncj/d...AAQAOImhhcnJ5IGJhcm5lcyIAAAAAAQ&resultIndex=1

Released 2011·06·24



Shawn
 
Thank you for you concern Shawn.

As mentioned above Tactical Walls is not mentioned in case law.

To the work we have done we are confident as a business that Tactical Walls are considered safe storage and if anyone of our customers comes into a situation where references and letters are required please contact us directly and just as we have done for 30+ years we will take care of our customers.

We will now lock this thread because our forum is for us to sell our goods, not debate legal hypothetical's in an open internet forum.

-Matt
 
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