Tanfoglio Stock II vs CZ shadow for IPSC production

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I am considering buying a stock II for ipsc production. I am currently shooting a cz sp01 shadow. I like the CZ but I think I would like a stainless gun more. For the folks that have shot both what do you think.

I shot maurices in one stage in competition. I failed to engage two targets as I was thinking this gun is really neat and not paying attention to the stage. I quickly gave it back.

Two other questions, I shoot cast bullets will the polygonal barrel send them where they are supposed to go or is their use not recommended. Also where is the best pricing for a stock II in 9mm?
 
best person to contact is either Sean at Freedom Ventures, or Josko at Double Tap.
There is a tanfoglio dealer in Moncton, but not sure if he has any stock2's. Looks more like Combats and polymers.
 
I guess it is all subjective. Personally, Tanfoglio don't fit my hand, because of the gap they introduced under the beaver tail, but for people with smaller hands it might be a better fit. Also, I don't quite like the Tanfoglio double action trigger bull, it is no comparison to the factory pull on CZ Shadow (with only main spring replaced).

If you want to spend more money on CZ clone, maybe you should wait for Sphinx. Rumor has it they will be available in Canada. :D
 
I have been thinking about doing the same thing for months and after careful deliberation and bothering everyone I know for advice (thanks guys) that shoot Tanfoglio and even those that do not, it really came down to the fact that I already had a CZ and it was half the price of the Tanfoglio with a better trigger...

So I ordered a Limited Custom II from Freedom Ventures as it was only a few bucks more than a stock II, I just could not justify the price for a production gun...Looks like i will be giving standard division a go soon... :)

Mind you I did not take into consideration the extra cost of mags or a DAA holster for this new gun, I could of had a second CZ for the extra cost...Oh well its only money... :)
 
I would handle one some more. I love the fit and finish of the Tanfoglio, and especially the hard chrome finish. I like the fact the Tanfoglio comes with excellent rear sights, thanks to Henning there are lots of options out there for grips, front sights etc.... and Tanfoglio has grip checkering which I like as I don't care that much for skate tape. The barrels in Tanfoglio pistols offer amazing accuracy- manufactured by Walthar I believe. I too shoot the Shadow, and to be totally truthful, I queried about the Stock 2 first. I already had 3 CZ's, 2 Tanfoglio's so deciding was a little tricky. They are both excellent guns, but for me, the Shadow won. The trigger is great, and although I had some ammo problems last year, I have that sorted out now and am excited about the upcoming season. If you like them, buy one. They are great pistols no question, just ask Mo!
 
You wont regret the Limited Custom II

JOJOPINTO said:
I have been thinking about doing the same thing for months and after careful deliberation and bothering everyone I know for advice (thanks guys) that shoot Tanfoglio and even those that do not, it really came down to the fact that I already had a CZ and it was half the price of the Tanfoglio with a better trigger...

So I ordered a Limited Custom II from Freedom Ventures as it was only a few bucks more than a stock II, I just could not justify the price for a production gun...Looks like i will be giving standard division a go soon... :)

Mind you I did not take into consideration the extra cost of mags or a DAA holster for this new gun, I could of had a second CZ for the extra cost...Oh well its only money... :)
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Hey there JOJOPINTO..

You will not regret purchasing the Limited Custom II.. I have a pair and would never give them up.. Although you do need to trim the beavertail to get it to fit in the "new" box,which is a problem if you got the GC finish.. I also want a Stock II myself as i have a thing for stainless guns..

RDG
 
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For me the Tanfoglio Stock 2 worked better. I bought the Shadow but I had a problem with the safeties on that gun, they seem to be on the wrong place for me , I guess has to do with the way I hold the gun , I found myself messing around with them and activating the thumb safety accidentally many time . On the Tanfoglio seams different the grip is more comfortable, but the one thing I really like is the build in magazine well this makes the reloads more easy compare to the Shadow .I also think the magazine catch /release has a better feel, never had a magazine stick on it, I had some trouble with the Shadow regarding that .Trigger though I have to agree is not the best and on the Shadow I was able to get really good trigger just by replacing the hammer spring.
 
babo_al said:
For me the Tanfoglio Stock 2 worked better. I bought the Shadow but I had a problem with the safeties on that gun, they seem to be on the wrong place for me , I guess has to do with the way I hold the gun , I found myself messing around with them and activating the thumb safety accidentally many time . On the Tanfoglio seams different the grip is more comfortable, but the one thing I really like is the build in magazine well this makes the reloads more easy compare to the Shadow .I also think the magazine catch /release has a better feel, never had a magazine stick on it, I had some trouble with the Shadow regarding that .Trigger though I have to agree is not the best and on the Shadow I was able to get really good trigger just by replacing the hammer spring.
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Seems to be working for you , I saw you won your first IPSC match with the Stock II the other day.
More to come I'm sure....


AS for me I have had both the Shadow and Stock II in side by side camparison. The Stock II fits my hand a lot better and gun reliability has been improved by 100% so I sold the shadow and have never regreted it.
I found the Stock II to be more accurate in grouping size then my Shadow was,The Stock II will far out shoot me for years to come and with more and more practice I hope to some day to be right up there with it.
 
I've handled and shot a couple of stock IIs after giving serious consideration of moving away from my shadow.

I wasn't shy of the price tag until I used them. Very underwhelming for what they go for.

I decided to stick with the shadow and run the Tanfoglio mags.
 
I had ordered the tanfoglio stock II a couple days ago from freedom ventures.

I wanted to wait to find out what the other folks thought of this pistol. If there is any consensus here it looks like I should have saved my money.

From the pics it looks like a great production gun.

Bull barrel, huge magwell, huge beavertail, decent sights, heavy, it looks like a great production gun.

Thats from the pics. I will be able to see for myself soon.
 
JBD said:
I had ordered the tanfoglio stock II a couple days ago from freedom ventures.

I wanted to wait to find out what the other folks thought of this pistol. If there is any consensus here it looks like I should have saved my money.

From the pics it looks like a great production gun.

Bull barrel, huge magwell, huge beavertail, decent sights, heavy, it looks like a great production gun.

Thats from the pics. I will be able to see for myself soon.
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Don't worry; you'll be just fine with your choice. In the endless quest to improve the man/machine interface, IPSC shooters tend to continuously tinker with their gear. Thus, if you ask for opinions on how this or that gun handles or what's better you will get different feedback from every person. What matters is how it works for YOU. Note that ALL guns intended for IPSC competition, including Production Division guns, will generally benefit from some trigger smoothing work and the Stock II is no different. There is a lot that can be done to make the pull consistent and smooth without flouting the rules, and once you shoot the gun a bit and get dialed in to the trigger pull and ergonomics, it won't matter one iota whether or not the Shadow has a slightly "better" pull than the Stock II. What will matter is how well you shoot it.

The Stock II will soak up recoil like a sponge too. I think you'll like it just fine.
 
I have both a Stock and a Shadow.They are both very nice production guns and both are far ahead(IMO)of other contenders(Ive also used Glocks and Berettas in the past in production)

Comparing the two,I would say that the Stock is better made and finished,the shadow is a bit rough.I also like the finish better on the stock,wears alot better than the shadow.Generally,the Stock is just a "prettier" piece

The shadow has by far the better trigger.As mentioned above,some polishing helps alot for both guns,but out the box,the shadows trigger is better.The stock also has a tendency to "stack" on DA

I prefer the sight picture on the shadow,although the stock has adjustable sights,which is nice,they are not really necessary once they are dialed in,and the Tanfoglio sight has a reputation for being fragile(although Ive never had an issue)

Both are reliable guns,although the shadow has a reputation for having FTE issues,if the extractor channel isnt kept clean.I pull the extractor every 2K on my shadow,but never have had this issue with the stock,for some reason.OTOH,my stock is a bit fussy with bullets other than round nose.

Both are plenty accurate for IPSC,but off the bench,the shadow is a bit more accurate.

Tanfoglio mags are much better than the factory CZ examples which I find are pretty rough and being 2 pieced,often dont insert easily.Its worth while sticking to the Tan mags.

So in summary(and its just my opinion),both are great guns,if money isnt too much of an issue,the StockII is great,but it is pretty pricey for what you are getting.The Shadow is fantastic value for money and would be my first pick if you were any type of budget
 
if you are bent on stainless, CZ custom shop makes a really nice sp01 shadow with a beauty half polished finish. the drawback is nobody stocks it in canada,(that i have found) but a friend of mine has one comming in from the us, for an extra 500$ or so. total price will be around 1600$ so not cheap!

~~~happiness is a warm gun~~~
 
mrclean said:
And your friend knows he can't use it in production right?
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but of course his friend knows....CZ USA pro shop has totally legal IPSC production guns.:rolleyes: IMHO,...it is the indian not the arrow. :p Not to in anyway be critical, or to sound novice...but I could not tell the difference in the performance of a normal SP01 shadow,..and a CZ Pro shop shadow.
I bought my tanfoglio stock 2 knowing it does not have the trigger in DA as a shadow,...but i felt if I can not manage a DA pull of 9 or 10lbs,...I should look to another sport. 20,000+ rds plus 20,000 plus dryfires,..mag changes.e.tc...etc..smooth a gun out anyhow. :cheers:

I picked my stock2 because it looks bad-ass....has little recoil, and feeds great. The sights are better than a shadow as well.
 
I kind of get fed up of looking at that list. But yeah,...nice guns. I doubt from the firing line most could tell the difference.
My advice to the OP, is dryfire,..and shoots lots of ammo.
 
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