Target Scoring Programs

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This might not be the appropriate area to ask about this but I couldn't figure out which one is so bear with me.

I'm looking for an excellent target scoring program software that can be installed in a computer PC at this point... though Macs are looking better to me!

If you get involved in organized competitive shooting you need some way to record plot how you're doing over the long haul and long haul which means more than a few weekend outings or matches.

If you poke around on the internet doing searches you come across many sites that have targets and plot sheets you can download that are appropriate and work.

Boy there sure is enough of them eh! From what I an see there's probably hundreds of them... so much for us all shooting on the same faces but we manage I guess.

You need something to record how you're doing and drawing circles and writting stuff down on the back of a Tim Horton's bag from that morning coffee you bought to help you wake up before arriving at the range isn't going to cut it... might get you through the first relay though.

Seriously you need plot sheets if you're starting out. Now some guys who are super organized usually have some spares when they come to the range so you can run amock amoungst the shooters and get some to try.

I did find some software called eScorebook by Barnacle software... google it. It's pretty extensive and if you can figure it out you can create you're own plot sheets with ring sizes that work for you...

Anything is better than nothing to start... This program is very sophisticated and complicated is as complicated gets... but I haven't seen or found anything that comes close to it...

A few years ago I tried Trevors program that you can dl into a Palm pilot and it was kinda kool! You could bring up a plot sheet on it and touch pen to the screen and it would indicate your shot and incriment them automatically and do the math for the totals and when the smoke clear you had a plot record... but alass I've returned to paper plots.

What ever you use make allowances for wet as in rain because that stuff won't make any allowances for you!...

Print your plots on b/w laser printers because if you use a colored inkjet, when it rains your in for a surprise... don't ask... and print them on heavy stock regular paper when wet is absolutely useless...

there's waterproof paper out there but I can never manage to get my hands on the stuff...

after years of shooting you eventually end up with something... might as well get it up and running early... I've got 5 years of plots and that's a pile of plot cards... some guys have been at this for a long time so they got more.

the eScorebook when you get deeper into the software willl allow you to change the ring sizes, zoom in and zoom out and once you figure it out you can pretty well create something useable...

There's nothing like trying to plot 2/15 shots in a half inch V-bull on paper. The whole thing looks like one big smudge... now some guys don't even use them... they just too busy whacking the V and trying to record record times getting off the firing line

Pastor comes to mind... plots we don't need no stinking plots!... fine but for me I kinda wanna pour over the stats and plots when I get home.

This software also allows you to take your hardcopy plots and enter them into the computer. You just place the cursor where your shot is and click it and it puts a number there, it knows the value need and when your done it records your score including V's and I would imagine X's. Hey I just got the program to try so I don't know what it all does... 30 day working copy then you gotta payup.

I also found you can take some existing plot at say 1000 yards and replot it on another yardage or on a target with different ring sizes and see how you would have done... interesting... hey winters here so what else you wanna do?

So if you know or got something cough it up!
 
John,
You don't near have enough gadgets:p
I have seen you shoot, how much of the target are you going to use?:D On a bad day with a bad wind call, out to the 4 ring? Make your plotting diagram only as big as the 4 ring and don't plan on writing anything in there. Anything outside of that, use the graph.
Mikey had a cool program for a palm pilot but you can't use them on the line so it is more of a post mortum.

Now take all your plot sheets and throw away any that are not perfect scores. This way you will still have a pile of them to look over on everything you did right, forget about the missed wind calls:p

Or, you could talk to Norm and get the "map to the galaxy" plot sheets that he uses.
The Brits have plot sheets that are water proof that you can write on and wipe off, they also have these little things called Rain Writers that are a plastic case that fold up that your score book fits into.
 
maynard said:
John,
You don't near have enough gadgets:p
I have seen you shoot, how much of the target are you going to use?:D On a bad day with a bad wind call, out to the 4 ring? Make your plotting diagram only as big as the 4 ring and don't plan on writing anything in there. Anything outside of that, use the graph.
Mikey had a cool program for a palm pilot but you can't use them on the line so it is more of a post mortum.

Now take all your plot sheets and throw away any that are not perfect scores. This way you will still have a pile of them to look over on everything you did right, forget about the missed wind calls:p

Or, you could talk to Norm and get the "map to the galaxy" plot sheets that he uses.
The Brits have plot sheets that are water proof that you can write on and wipe off, they also have these little things called Rain Writers that are a plastic case that fold up that your score book fits into.
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gadgets me?... WHAT gadgets?
I think I might have the same thing Mikey had maybe also from Trevor? was kinda neat, small though... then I read about the electronic thingy as you mentioned on the line somewhere in them rules... so avoid probs discontinued use...

Norm's a weatherman and if anybody should know about the extraneous forces working on the surface of mother earth Norm would know. I've seen his galaxy plots... absolute works of art though they make my head hurt. Maybe if he used a few different colored pencils it might make them clearer. I'm sure he picked all this up because of his extensive experience with topographical maps... his plots look like those things. arrows, lines a few curves going every which way all leading to centre mass to plot Vs and 5s amazing work! I'd better leave well enough alone cause cause he can whomp with the best of them...
 
You can cover the regular paper plot sheets with clear MacTac and use a grease pencil or a sharp non-permanent felt marker which you can remove with alcohol and a rag too John, and yes, the big plastic cases that comforters come in works well to hold your paper, score card, pens, etc in the rain.

The real trouble with rain is the paste stickers do not stay on the target and you end up with two or more holes in the target with one shot fired. If you have new targets, the stickers stay, if the target is re-skinned or re-centered, the glue used to add this to the target is what makes the sticker not stick in the rain IMO.
 
John,just teach your "personal secretary" to use a spotting scope,get her to sit behind you and take notes,plot graphs and take your dictation.Provide her with a cheerleaders outfit for moral encouragement and competitor distraction.
Then she can provide you with you daily,weekly,monthly and seasonal summaries as well as "pull your wagon" around the range!
Just a thought :)
G
 
Plotting?

Hey John,

I resemble that remark!

The next time I come up, I'm bringing the perfect plotting machine for you and Norm. I'll make certain that they are both presented at the appropriate time. hehehehe

"The Only Shot You Need To Remember Is "The Last One".
 
Milcun sells a program called E-Z Graf. Go to their website for more info. I believe it's based on their plot-o-matic which in turn is a more sophisticated form of the manual plot sheets.
 
Kodiak99317 said:
You can cover the regular paper plot sheets with clear MacTac and use a grease pencil or a sharp non-permanent felt marker which you can remove with alcohol and a rag too John, and yes, the big plastic cases that comforters come in works well to hold your paper, score card, pens, etc in the rain.

The real trouble with rain is the paste stickers do not stay on the target and you end up with two or more holes in the target with one shot fired. If you have new targets, the stickers stay, if the target is re-skinned or re-centered, the glue used to add this to the target is what makes the sticker not stick in the rain IMO.
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I bought one of those laminator machines for a bunch of othe reasons... once I settle on a plot card... I'm going to laminate a set and use those on days I might see animals marching two by two!
 
ONT0001 said:
John,just teach your "personal secretary" to use a spotting scope,get her to sit behind you and take notes,plot graphs and take your dictation.Provide her with a cheerleaders outfit for moral encouragement and competitor distraction.
Then she can provide you with you daily,weekly,monthly and seasonal summaries as well as "pull your wagon" around the range!
Just a thought :)
G
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what size of outfit did you say you wore again Gord?

ah... can't slip anything past you guys... and ya ya... time better spent looking through the scope and reading the flags than looking down at plots... I know... I KNOW!

I got one of those plotmatic machine years ago... gave up on it... TR guys love 'em... I think Jim Thompson used one for a long time and he's an f'er... as in f-class!

I prefer the 3 ring cards on site... been using one of those space pens that writes when it's pouring down...

...maybe Bob's onto something here... just remember the last one... we'll what if it's a 3? haha... I feel a caning
coming on....

gheeze see what happens when you haen't been shooting for a few weeks... I'm worried what I'll be doing come late December/Janaury!
 
...maybe Bob's onto something here... just remember the last one... we'll what if it's a 3? haha... I feel a caning
coming on....

gheeze see what happens when you haen't been shooting for a few weeks... I'm worried what I'll be doing come late December/Janaury![/QUOTE]

A caning would would be a rather light punishment I would think. :p

As for December/January you could alway pick up one of those samllbore rifles you were eyeing at Camp Parry last year. You have the jacket, mat and spotting scope already. You will just need to pick up a sling, glove and some Eley Tennex. Who knows maybe it will get you shooting TR next season:D
 
maynard said:
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As for December/January you could alway pick up one of those samllbore rifles you were eyeing at Camp Parry last year. You have the jacket, mat and spotting scope already. You will just need to pick up a sling, glove and some Eley Tennex. Who knows maybe it will get you shooting TR next season:D
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I keep thinking about it, it was a nice rifle at Perry wasn't it. I knew I should have left my wallet home... all the other stuff we bought back... Perry's like going to Vegas or something, cash flow is one way outwards! With the number of TR folks who've tried the darkside maybe we should recipocate?
 
I tried F class once, it is not as easy as you guys make it look. Damn shots where going right where I aimed. This may not seem to be a problem unless you aim at the 4 ring to allow for the wind and it goes there:(
That and the knobs turn the wrong way (compared to irons) :mad:

Next time we go the Parry you can leave your wallet at home, just make sure you bring your passport and your Gold Card:dancingbanana:
 
Terry Perkins said:
That is when I start LR shooting again.:dancingbanana:
If you want I'll post pics of my shot up golf balls.:)
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at that time Terry I'll be ready for anything with bullet holes in it except bodies....
 
By the sounds of it you have not found anything that meets your needs.

As the saying goes "Necessity is the mother of invention", therefore you may have invent your own Target Scoring Program.

From your post I see two major requirements:-

1. To record your scores, and perform some basic analysis.
2. To be able to store many years of raw score data, and perform deeper trend analysis.

Have you looked at the current range of rugged PDA's, that may be suitable for the task of recording the scores?

A couple of examples below:-

http://www.amrel.com/federal_military_computer/rocky_patriot_rugged_pda.html
http://www.daptech.com/products/2240_family

For either of these requirements you are going to need some kind of bespoke program/database, maybe a small application for the day to day score recording on the rugged PDA, and a larger application to persist the data, say on a PC, and do the deeper analysis.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Steve
 
pfxsys,
John just needs to forget about that one or two shots that squeeked out of the V bull in the past.:p :dancingbanana:
Unless you are using the plot sheet to help center the group during the match, hind-sight is 20/20. No need to second guess yourself, looking over last years scores. All these "what if's" will drive you crazy. I mean, "What if the queen had balls?" I guess she would be King, right?:D

John, Stop dwelling on those Bull 5's :D it's OK everybody shoots them once in a while. You are doing great by just shooting fewer then everyone else:cool: And you really don't need another gadget. :p
 
Maynard,

But what if such a gadget could be used to educate the newbies like me, to understand the finer points of target shooting?

Steve
 
Steve,
That is my point of using a plot sheet or Plot-o-matic. These are devices to help you center the group quickly and squeeze out an extra point or two during the match.
I believe going over the shoot post mortum is OK, but then you have to forget about it and not dwell in the past. Never count your score until you are finished the relay and be honest with yourself if you fired a bad shot. With practice you can call your shots very well and you will see that on the plot sheet.
I prefer paper over Plot-o-matic just so I can go back and find out where my elevation was last time, and so I can remember my score 10 minutes later:D
 
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