Tavor question

[onetwentyish]

Re: RDB. That's incorrect. I contacted Keltec US and they said the Canadian exports are marked as .223 for that reason only. They don't make a differenent 20" barrel just for this market. It is the same barrel as the US 20" version.

That's interesting maybe I'm mistaken but I'm positive I read somewhere that vault told dealers and customers it was a .223 chamber. That said, it doesn't surprise me at all that it would be a proper 556 chamber...

 

[Dagmaar]

Sold mine to that guy in Canmore. But before that I shot about 2 cases of each thru ours, no issues, really don’t notice if one is hotter than the other. I buy what ever is least expensive. Almost time to clean it maybe.....lol. keep it oiled but that’s about it. With a fresh shot of oil every time we shoot I have no FTF or FTE. Buy one and don’t look back, so much fun, especially with some of the other mags you can get. Buy it now before they know you have one.

That’s excellent , and I will . Thank you Go appreciate it .

 

[Dagmaar]

About the Independence ammo, I spoke with Federal last Fall about Independence ( I was seeing swiping and blown primers in an SBR) and according to the production engineer, it is “full snuff” 5.56 that meets the full 5.56 spec. Apparently it’s made by IMI in Israel for the IDF, and they supply it to Federal under the Independence label for distribution in North America. IMI is one of two manufacturers Outside the USA that is approved To manufacture ammo for the US military. The guy told me the Federal military ammo made at Lake City is Not full spec 5.56 and is slightly underpowered as per a military requirement. So it’s not that Independence is hot, it’s just hot compared to most other brands that are not full spec.

All that to say in terms of the original post, IMI makes Independence ammo, and IWI is a division of IMI. I’M very confident that the IWI Tavor is designed to safely fire full snuff 5.56.

Good point sir .

 

[Green75]

The Independence and Federal XM193 both run 3250ish fps from a 20" barrel. If they have downloaded anything I don't know where it was done. Independence ammo sure does seem to have a lot of complaints about being too hot though. Not velocity wise but blown primers etc.

FWIW IWI also makes M193 for Winchester. It comes in the white box marked "5.56 NATO". It's good stuff IMO, doesn't seem to have any issues that it's supposedly identical Federal offering does. Mind you I only fired a few hundred rounds of it...

That’s good to know, I really like Independence and it shot really well through my Colt 20” and Colt 14.5”. I was getting swiping and blown primers (For the first time) in my DD MK18 (10.3”) and thought I might have a bad lot (I’ve shot probably 3k of it). Federal told me that in the two years since my lot had been manufactured, mine was the only complaint, although they had gotten lots of complaints from other lots. They passed me to a production engineer to discuss it, and his thought was that if it was shooting fine in the 20” and 14.5” Colts, it might have something to do with the gas system in the 10.3” DD. I shot the rest of that lot in my Colts with no issues. For giggles I did call DD, and they told me that the short gas system they use, does increase internal pressure and causes extra wear and tear on components that they don’t see on their other models. I found it all very interesting anyways and learned some cool things.

I’m not sure where it would have been degraded either, Federal said their tests from Lake City are usually are variable but in the 3100 or below range, while the IMI stuff it consistently 3200+, they just never see it underpowered.

Thanks for the heads up on Winchester, I’ll have to try it.

 

[Green75]

Not since 2005 they aren't. IWI is a division of SK Group, a private company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Weapon_Industries

Cool, I didn’t know they were Now separate.

 

[rommelrommel]

I’ve ran lots of 5.56, another vote for no problem.

 

[Teletraan]

5.56

A friend of mine has one and it has close to 8k thru it and at least half of this count is Norinco surplus 5.56. I know because he bought 4 crates back when CanadaAmmo had the 4 for the price of 3 deal. And his last 1k was that hot Independance lot.

Tavor is a 5.56 rifle marked 223rem for export purposes.

The Norinco surplus 5.56 is also marked .223 on yellow box, so it's a perfect fit for the Tar 21!

 

[rickspeed]

I own 2x Tavors,

TAR 21 and Tavor 7....


The Tar 21 has been flawless.....different types of Ammo & Mags !

Tavor 7 is new and never been fired...just putting the final touches and getting ready to hit the Range.

Both Tavors have Burris XTR II, 1.5-8x 34mm scopes.

 

[Dagmaar]

About the Independence ammo, I spoke with Federal last Fall about Independence ( I was seeing swiping and blown primers in an SBR) and according to the production engineer, it is “full snuff” 5.56 that meets the full 5.56 spec. Apparently it’s made by IMI in Israel for the IDF, and they supply it to Federal under the Independence label for distribution in North America. IMI is one of two manufacturers Outside the USA that is approved To manufacture ammo for the US military. The guy told me the Federal military ammo made at Lake City is Not full spec 5.56 and is slightly underpowered as per a military requirement. So it’s not that Independence is hot, it’s just hot compared to most other brands that are not full spec.

All that to say in terms of the original post, IMI makes Independence ammo, and IWI is a division of IMI. I’M very confident that the IWI Tavor is designed to safely fire full snuff 5.56.

Very interesting, thank you for the detail ....love this forum .

 

[Dagmaar]

I’ve ran lots of 5.56, another vote for no problem.

Thank you . Sounds like it’s good on either .

 

[Dagmaar]

I own 2x Tavors,

TAR 21 and Tavor 7....
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The Tar 21 has been flawless.....different types of Ammo & Mags !

Tavor 7 is new and never been fired...just putting the final touches and getting ready to hit the Range.

Both Tavors have Burris XTR II, 1.5-8x 34mm scopes.

Okay ....those are nice !
How did you get that stippling on the 21 grip ? That looks perfect and I like the grippy grips !
Also the 7 has beautiful contrast with the black highlights, I really really like that look . They don’t come that way do they because as a lifetime colour contrast lover to me that is just superfine .