Tavor vs Sig 550 Black Special

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If you had to pick one which would you choose? I'm thinking in terms of reliability, accuracy and just general feel.

*Edit* Removed FS2000, did not realise it was restrcited
 
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FS2000 HARD to find and could command a lot more then $3000 warranty and parts an issue!!!

Tavor well not here yet and if you need it now it is months away.

Sig 550 PROHIB and unless you are licensed accordingly.......but if you meant the Sig Black special, Classic green, smurf edition etc.....the cheapest on the list and probably the most accurate, widely available parts, in stock at dealers around the country.
 
I gonna have both - TAVOR for fighting zombies, Swiss Arms for showing off at the range.

FS2000 is probably the cheapest thing ever produced by FN. They must be studying a lot on how airsoft guns are constructed, and then replace the guts with "REAL STEEL". hahahhaahha
 
I gonna have both - TAVOR for fighting zombies, Swiss Arms for showing off at the range.

Well I have a PE-90 already ... and even though you can show off at the range ..it's still an excellent rifle to use against zombies and probably more accurate and reliable than the Tavor ;)

Once I get the Tavor we can better compare :D
 
Well I have a PE-90 already ... and even though you can show off at the range ..it's still an excellent rifle to use against zombies and probably more accurate and reliable than the Tavor ;)

Once I get the Tavor we can better compare :D


Only if you gotta drive to where the zombies are!
 
I've fired both and hands down I prefer the SIG but the Tavor is pretty cool. The Tavor carbine is what I'm eying.
 
FS2000 is probably the cheapest thing ever produced by FN. They must be studying a lot on how airsoft guns are constructed, and then replace the guts with "REAL STEEL". hahahhaahha

I still get a giggle thinking about the poop-shoot toilet cover and the case conveyer on the FN. :p :p

I will coin it the 'I love Lucy' rifle.
 
I noticed no one replied to this thread after the shipment of TAVOR's earlier this year. As a person who's shot both, I'd like to discuss objective points of both based on MY preferences. This is to serve as an information source for people pondering on what to spend $3K on. This is not a " I hate TAVOR, I hate Swissarms reply "

TAVOR:

The gun's handling characteristics are simply superb. Even with an unrestricted barrel, it is TINY and the rearward weight of the stock makes it snug in your shoulder very nicely and it's very maneuverable. It comes with just a simple sling but the way the gun is designed the simple sling can be slung over one's head and the gun hangs off your right side kind of like a tactical sling. Engaging from that position is very quick.

The Magazines are very rugged and made of steel, I had full confidence in them and did not experience any jams. Overall the gun was very rugged, rough in some areas but solid.

Accuracy (intrinsic) was quite good, however being a bit of a novice I found it hard to squeeze that accuracy out consistently due to heavy trigger. The trigger is actually quite crisp in break, but heavy in take up with a bit of grit in the takeup. I found the Meprolight sight to be quite poor, washes out if you look to bright area while you're in shade. The large diameter of the dot also made detail work a little hard. Now at targets about 18" across in width at 100 yards it was more than adequate. when I stopped shooting at paper bullseyes and engaged realistically sized targets, the dot was adequate.

100% reliable in my hands but there were 3 cases of doubling. No jams whatsoever.

Cleaning it was a little frustrating. I used wipeout and of course being the first time I tried it, foam squirted out the barrel and into the nooks and crannies under the handguard. Made the exterior of the barrel under there all messy and stinky. Getting to it involved removing screws and such. There are gaps on the sides between breech and frame that allows solvent to leak through. getting to clean the piston also involves removing screws to get handguards off.

Swissarms.

My preferred configuration is the 17" carbine with flat top on which I mounted a TA33R8 compact ACOG. I also own the 20" and 14".
even with the 14" version the weight is similar to the tavor and they have a very tip heavy feel due to the gas tube and piston. The 20" one is just very long and heavy but manageable. Much slower than the TAVOR in transitioning from target to target.

Fit and finish of the Swissarms are noticeably better than the TAVOR. Accuracy is good, and trigger is very good indeed. 100% reliable and no doubling despite soft primered ammo. It is capable of more precise work, especially if you use an optic. That being said I got better groups using iron sights on a SIG 20" at 100y than I did with TAVOR.

Easy to strip, no tools or screw removal required. You can get to piston and gas tube easily. No gaps in barrel breech allowing solvent to get into nooks and crannies.

Ease of optics mounting is excellent with either factory flattop rail or KPA rail.
Getting cheekweld with an ACOG on Flat top can be less than ideal, with factory ACOG mount, I found a cheek piece gave me a very solid weld. With a Larue mount, it lowered the acog, so cheekpiece too high. So now the weld is about an inch or so below cheekbone. With the iron sighted ones, get a rail then cheek piece and you're set up nicely.

OVERALL,

Both were designed as battle arms, just different. I ended up selling my TAVOR due to the fact I love being able to scrub every nook and cranny when I clean my guns. Also the doubling to me is a safety issue. I also didn't like the unavailability (at this time) of other optics. Trigger may be ok for more experienced shooters but not for me.

Overall I found the Swissarms was worth the 3K or 2799.99 currently. I understand the TAVOR is really $2300 minus the optic but that's not a choice right now. Also at the current time, the Swissarms is fine with civilian ammo.

Given time the TAVOR will likely have these issues addressed but this is what people face right now.

So figure out what your needs are and purchase accordingly.
 
I hestiate on the TAVOR because the length of pull of that rifle is really long even if the OAL is short. I am not a big guy and I cannot use the gun fighter stand unless the stock is short enough - and the TAVOR cannot be adjusted.

I could not use the swiss arms effectively until I got the collapsable stock either. I would love to have a TAVOR but I think I am out of luck until they bring in the Micro-version - which takes away the thick pad at the end of the butt.

The stock length of the swiss arms is always problem - especially with the version witih the Diopter - I have problem employing the 4X version ACOG with short eye relief on it becasue the diopter is putthing the sight way too far ahead.
 
Well it's been like 10 months since I started this thread, but in the end I decided to go with both.... swiss arms first, tavor later.

The problem is locating the one I want right now :(
 
I hestiate on the TAVOR because the length of pull of that rifle is really long even if the OAL is short. I am not a big guy and I cannot use the gun fighter stand unless the stock is short enough - and the TAVOR cannot be adjusted.

I could not use the swiss arms effectively until I got the collapsable stock either. I would love to have a TAVOR but I think I am out of luck until they bring in the Micro-version - which takes away the thick pad at the end of the butt.

The stock length of the swiss arms is always problem - especially with the version witih the Diopter - I have problem employing the 4X version ACOG with short eye relief on it becasue the diopter is putthing the sight way too far ahead.

How did you find the LOP on the Type 97 you shot? I know I find mine quite short. But I'm a big guy.
 
I was fortunate to get a chance to shoot a Tavor today. The owner did a trigger job on it which made it pretty good. It also had an aftermarket rail with an Elcan on it. The optics were good.

The ergonomics are excellent. A really great firearm.

CanAM:

When are you going to bring them in for a decent price without the crap optics? Seriously not much can touch this rifle with the correct options. Such as a standard rail and no optics.

Also I'd like to see a match bull barrel for this rifle. That with good optics and this thing writes it's own ticket. I'd buy one in a heartbeat. As it stands now, I won't buy one. The cost is too high with poor optics. For 2K with a rail. I'd definitely get one.

Would I sell my PE-90? Nope I'd have both. But until the above situation is fixed I won't buy one. I can't justify the cost.

So close to the perfect firearm. It's a third base hit that really should be a home run. :confused:
 
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