Tell me about - Dominion KKSP 180gr 308

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So my father in law rummaged up a box of this stuff from somewhere. Its far, far, older then myself.

Was this stuff any good back in the day? What does the KK stand for?Any stories to tell of hunts gone by using it? Im assumming itll still knock down deer, bear, and moose if need be, although I imagine if I shoot it it will be for fun at a target.

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As you can see, they even had magic bullets back then, bullets that expanded very quickly, but not too much...bullets that penetrated, but not too far....just like the magic bullets of today. Somehow i think that the hunters of yesterday didn't buy into the BS, like they do today, the magic of television.
 
ben hunchak said:
As you can see, they even had magic bullets back then, bullets that expanded very quickly, but not too much...bullets that penetrated, but not too far....just like the magic bullets of today. Somehow i think that the hunters of yesterday didn't buy into the BS, like they do today, the magic of television.
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:rockOn: Ding ding ding!!!! Ben is right on the money. Some of us older dudes had to struggle along with what we could buy at the local hardware, i.e. Dominion KKSP, etc. Our main source when I was much younger was the local old fashioned hardware. It was almost 100% Dominion/CIL. Any other brand was a novelty, and not common at all.

I think though, to be honest, the deer just fell over dead from fright rather than from being hit with a bullet.:rolleyes: I would love to see the stats of what fell to the old .303's, 30-30's, 30-06's etc., using off the shelf ammo. I can recall buying 8x57 ammo for around $3 a box.
 
i used a great number of 180 kksp in .303 brit made by c.i.l. and sabretip in .308 win.

very accurate and did agreat job on deers and black bears.

k k was for kling kore.
 
CIL ammunition, headstamped "Dominion" was pretty decent stuff in the day.
I shot deer. moose and Elk with their bullets early in my hunting career.
The KKSP, or Kling-Kor Soft Point had several little sections of the jacket bent inwards like barbs to hold the lead core in place. The seated bullet hid the "barbs" under the neck of the case. Shot my heaviest muley ever with a 30-06 and the 180 KKSP.
Dominion CF ammo also consisted of a couple of other "pioneer" designs.
The Copper point expanding, a very sleek bullet that had a wedge at the tip to drive into the jacket to initiate expansion. The Jacket was fairly heavy near the base, so stopped expansion quite well.
Dominion also marketed the first plastic tipped expanding bullet [to my knowledge], called the Sabre-Tip.
Looked very similar to today's Ballistic tip, except the tips were off-white in color, regardless of bullet diameter.
The quality of this ammo was quite good, but when Valcartier industries took over, the quality seemed to slip somewhat.
Somewhat before Valcartier bought the ammo business, I discovered the Winchester original design "Silvertip", as well as started reloading.
The old "Whiz-Bang" HV, and "Super-Clean" SV, rimfire ammo was good stuff as well.
Regards, Eagleye.
 
Still have some of that ammo laying around here also. Never did like the sabre tip ammo kept blowing up deer on me but the other kinds were just fine for Alberta deer and elk.
 
Eagleye is right!

CIL, later named Dominion, then Imperial made excellent ammunition in Quebec from the 1920's on, before the rights were sold to IVI and quality dropped on their commercial ammo in the 1980's. I think they had a fire around that time as well before they decided to stop production.

They invented the plastic tipped bullet and called it the Sabretip, which now almost all ammo makers produce, and call it the Spire Point and Ballistic tip etc.

When I go to gun shows in the US and get talking to some of those old timers, they consider CIL ammo to be highly collectible and sought after, as it was available down there as well.

I believe I read that CIL were the first ammo maker to list the velocity on the box, and it was also considered the first "hot loaded" ammunition.

Growing up in the 1970's, that's all I ever shot.

Anyone who says CIL ammo wasn't very good, doesn't know what they're talking about!

IVI in Valcartier Quebec still makes ammo for the Canadian military I believe.

CIL brass is great, I look for it all the time for reloading.

Here's an original CIL dealer sign from the 1960's proudly hanging in my gun room.....

 
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After reading and posting in this thread, I got curious. Something "tweaked" my memory.
Started rummaging around in my "possibles" drawers, and guess what?
I found 16 bullets [for reloading] 7mm, 160 grain KKSP RN.
They are still in the original red/green/ivory CIL box with the compartmented tray.
I will load them up for my 7x57, just to see how they shoot in it. LOL.
Regards, Eagleye.
 
We shot a couple of moose with 160 grain KKSP factory ammo in .270 win. Memory tells me it was factory Remington ammo, with KKSP bullets. Worked just fine, complete pass-through's if I recall, although we preferred 150 grain boat tails generally, in the flat shooting .270.
 
Was rummaging through my stuff the other day in a attempt to de-clutter and ran across a couple of boxes of these.

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