Test results from dead carp could take three weeks

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Test results from dead carp could take three weeks
Infection could be killing fish: ministry

Jason Bain
Local News - Tuesday, June 12, 2007 Updated @ 12:39:25 PM

LAKE SCUGOG - Test results expected back in early July should shed light on why hordes of Lake Scugog carp are showing up dead.

The unusual amount of floating fish has many puzzled.

"We're not sure of what has caused it yet," Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources information officer J.J. Beechie said Tuesday.

The Peterborough District MNR office and local media have been getting several phone calls as area residents and lake users discover the red-tinged fish carcasses.

Cultures of fish tissue have already collected by MNR staff and test results on them are expected back from Guelph University in about three weeks, he said.

That's when officials could find out if the cause is some kind of infection, which Beechie said they are "leaning towards" at this point.

With spawning season having just wrapped up, the fish could be more vulnerable to some sort of infection, he said.

Their depleted energy levels could speed transmission of disease or parasites.

Although the bulk of the dead fish have been showing up in the Port Perry area, they are being discovered all around the lake, he said, adding the situation is unique to Lake Scugog when it comes to the Kawartha Lakes.


Carp seem to be the only species in the lake affected, Beechie noted.

Winter and summer fish kill is "fairly common," particularly because of low oxygen levels and fluctuating temperatures, but with a fish like carp that is normally very tolerant of such conditions, he said "this (kill) is different."

The large kill has the local health unit urging residents not to swim in areas where there is dead fish because of the high levels of bacteria from its decomposition.

The situation will not affect drinking water in Lindsay, where the municipal system draws from the Scugog River, said Richard Ovcharovich, supervisor of environmental health for the Haliburton-Kawartha-Pine Ridge District Health Unit.

The health unit too is waiting to see the results of sampling by Ontario ministries.

Such systems are well equipped to deal with organic and inorganic contamination, he said.

Kawartha Conservation, also inundated with phone calls, issued a release Wednesday supporting the same.

“As environmental managers for our water resources, we are concerned about the large numbers of carp that are dying, but we do not anticipate that it will have an impact on water quality," said CAO Ian Macnab.

Those who draw their water directly from the lake, however, are "always open to contamination," Ovcharovich said.

However, those who draw surface water should have filtration and disinfection systems in place that should stop any potential problems.

"That should be able to take care of the bacterial load," he said.

Conservation authority aquatic biologist Heather Surrette noted that typically, diseases and parasites that would affect fish are not transferable to humans.

"But without knowing what it is, you can't be certain of what we are dealing with," she said.

The situation has the MNR advising the public that it is landowners responsibility to dispose of dead fish, not theirs.

And doing that requires some precautions, Beechie said.

Like anytime one deals with dead wildlife, rubber gloves should be worn to handle the fish, which should then both be disposed of in a plastic bag.

Those destined for the landfill should be double-bagged to prevent any problems for garbage collection staff, he said.

The carcasses can also be buried on shore, provided it is deep enough in the ground they won't be dug up by any animals, Beechie said.

Tools used to move the fish should also be disinfected afterwards and obviously, the fish should not be eaten, he said.

Concerns about dead fish on public beaches should be forwarded to the appropriate landowner, Beechie said, such as the municipality, conservation authority, or health unit.

On Wednesday, the City of Kawartha Lakes announced that all of its municipal landfills would receive carp carcasses at no charge, provided they are double-bagged.jbain@thepost.ca
 
My son and I are going up there next sat fishing. I will keep an eye out. I hope there is nothing to wrong. I used to be an extreemly avid carp fisherman. Been away from it for about 3 years now. Awsome fish to catch!
 
triton said:
My son and I are going up there next sat fishing. I will keep an eye out. I hope there is nothing to wrong. I used to be an extreemly avid carp fisherman. Been away from it for about 3 years now. Awsome fish to catch!

I also used to fish for Carp (catch and release only) at Port Perry some years ago. Used to be tons of those in Scugog during that period.
 
Hmmm......

Several years ago I had to deal with bacterial septicimia that infected some pet koi that I was raising, which if I recall correctly was effectively handled after experimenting with a variety of antibiotics. In addition to the stresses associated with spawning, the constant of mingling amongst the fish while mating could have encouraged the spread of whatever disease is striking these carp.

Lets hope that after the initial die-offs of fish that the survivors will develop an immunity towards this disease. It would be interesting to find out if the diseases effecting Ontario fish are a completely new strain, or whether it's existed for ages in other countries where the fish have learned to survive. Of all species I would have expected carp to be most resistant.

With Regards,

Frank
 
John Y Cannuck said:
Scugog drains into the trent severn system, and eventually, Lake Ontario.
If this is a disease, the implications are ominous.


Methinks this is the work of the MNR...


Its going to take 3 weeks, and they've known there is a problem for nearly a month... thats a long time for results...
I think they are testing out new solutions to the pending epedemic of carp.
I love fishing for them, and have been for years, but they sure are becoming a problem.
Carp are introduced species, and destroy wetlands.
The population of common carp has skyrocketed, and the potential of asian carp getting into our watersystem has people scared. They're downright dangerous
I think the ministry has something to do with it.
 
Don't want to see any more pathogins killing our fish and wildlife but for the sake of our lakes, rivers and marshes the dissapearance of carp would only be benificial.
 
M12shooter said:
Don't want to see any more pathogins killing our fish and wildlife but for the sake of our lakes, rivers and marshes the dissapearance of carp would only be benificial.


Actually, and understatement of sorts... :D

As much fun as carp are, I've caught thousands over the years up to 49 lbs, and they are one of the funnest fish on the planet to catch, but I must humbly admit, they do more damage than good...
 
Let this introduced fish die off, oh I forgot the industry is making money off them and that's what's its all about in Ontario. They and suckers as seen at Lock 19 on the same system just after walleye spawn spend days hoovering the eggs from that spawn. The thrill??? of catching them is not worth the havoc they cause. If this is the best fish you can catch, eat them the rest of us will take the time to catch ones that are edible and maybe keep a couple for the enjoyment of eating them.
 
A few years ago my parents KOI ponds were wiped out along with everyone elses that they know including the huge collection of KOI at a Pickering area fish dealer that then went out of business. The only thing that made sense was some sort of wind-borne or rain-borne virus since it impacted fish for a large area. (Note that they live less them 30 minutes from Lake Scugog)
 
I makes the Bow Fishing easy

A guy I work with lives down there, he says there are hundreds, if not thousands of them dead, floating around in the lake.
It is easier to shoot them when they are not moving.;)

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pottsy said:
A few years ago my parents KOI ponds were wiped out along with everyone elses that they know including the huge collection of KOI at a Pickering area fish dealer that then went out of business. The only thing that made sense was some sort of wind-borne or rain-borne virus since it impacted fish for a large area. (Note that they live less them 30 minutes from Lake Scugog)


You sure they didn't grow a third eye à la Simpsons?
 
art.h said:
Let this introduced fish die off, oh I forgot the industry is making money off them and that's what's its all about in Ontario. They and suckers as seen at Lock 19 on the same system just after walleye spawn spend days hoovering the eggs from that spawn. The thrill??? of catching them is not worth the havoc they cause. If this is the best fish you can catch, eat them the rest of us will take the time to catch ones that are edible and maybe keep a couple for the enjoyment of eating them.


Was this directed towards Me?
I've been a part if PUSHING this industry in Southern Ontario for close to 10 years...
We've done numerous shows on them over the years with the few shows i was associated with, and helped to bring products in the country to help folks get interested in these fish, to help control the population Art.
THe less interest people have in them, the worse off we are.
BTW, if you liek eating fish, eat a carp... Its like Halibut (If you leave it in clean water for a few hours.

FYI, Zebra mussels have done leaps and bounds worse for the Walleye than carp, or suckers ever could...
All in the last 10-15 years...



Pottsy is 100% right, my buddy lost his pond too in this
The Koi place you are talking about is still open though, unless its different than the one Im thinking of (Vandermeer Nurseries?)

They are still open though... 1
 
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Sorry to disappoint you, but I am not the artist,

pottsy said:
rlg is a freakin' artist!

Thanks, I would love to take the credit, but that is not my work-of-art.....;)

I was putting together a basic course for kids a few years ago regarding fishing with a bow, and I found this picture on the INTERNET. Since the course was geared to little kids, I thought a stick-man approach would be cool for the first page of the binder. It was and the kids loved it.

Sorry to disappoint you,
Robert
 
I was out on scugug today! We didn't see the numbers I had heard about. But we did see fish. I think about 7-8 I saw a beauty almost fully scaled mirror carp about 20-23lbs. Wish I could have caught that one. Weird to see them like that. It was my 4 year old sons first time fishing in the boat. He had a blast. So did I. He is still on cloud nine.

Dave.
 
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