That's why you choose AK

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That's why you need a normal AK cleaning kit on board. not somewhere in the bag, but on board-on the rifle.
When multitool is useless and a simple cleaning rod is what you need.
That's why I will rely my life on AK style platform.
Unfortunately, VZ58 decided to separate the cleaning kit and the rifle, but it is a fixable thing (get ak butt stock/ buttstock pouch and a folding rigid metal cleaning rod)
Unfortunately, this UK soldierJack Holmes died in Raqqa of the blast. RIP
 
Murray 3-D said:
Why are the British soldiers using AKs ? Especially AKs with a ghetto a$$ optic system? mercenaries?
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These are volunteers fighting with the Kurds in Raqqa against the Islamic State. Safe to assume they take whatever they are given.

Edit:lol just noticed his AK doesn't have the cleaning rod smh!
Same guy I think:


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Thanks for the video btw! Never seen that one. You raise a good point, you never know when you might immediately need a cleaning rod.




Free the West! Free the AKs!!
 
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So... you want to bet your life on a ####ty rifle that goes down in combat... because it can be fixed with a stick...

I'd rather something that doesn't #### the bed in a firefight thanks....
 
jparent said:
So... you want to bet your life on a ####ty rifle that goes down in combat... because it can be fixed with a stick...

I'd rather something that doesn't #### the bed in a firefight thanks....
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same happens to ARs. not sure you can fix AR with same ease and speed
there is a reason why ak is so spread and it is not only its low cost and the fact that USSR was shipping it for free to many places.
ak also exists in 5.45 just FYI

we are talking about rigid cleaning rod in this specific situation
 
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FriendlyStranger said:
These are volunteers fighting with the Kurds in Raqqa against the Islamic State. Safe to assume they take whatever they are given.

Edit:lol just noticed his AK doesn't have the cleaning rod smh!
Same guy I think:


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Thanks for the video btw! Never seen that one. You raise a good point, you never know when you might immediately need a cleaning rod.




Free the West! Free the AKs!!
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Very interesting, so their basically mercenaries :/ ive never really understood how the whole private military/ merc/ "volunteer" thing worked (where they reside, how they travel, how their gear travels, how their relations work with governments, how they interact with legit military forces). It would be interesting to watch a documentary about life as one of these people.
 
yes the guy is likely a volunteer, not even PMC, he was trying to help unfortunate destiny of KURDISH nation basically for free
Odin and Valhalla called his soul
 
jparent said:
So... you want to bet your life on a ####ty rifle that goes down in combat... because it can be fixed with a stick...

I'd rather something that doesn't #### the bed in a firefight thanks....
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Knowing how to clear a jammed rifle is prerequisite for all rifles...history has proven you will spend less time running cleaning rods down the barrel of an AK then any other rifle...
 
Murray 3-D said:
Very interesting, so their basically mercenaries :/ ive never really understood how the whole private military/ merc/ "volunteer" thing worked (where they reside, how they travel, how their gear travels, how their relations work with governments, how they interact with legit military forces). It would be interesting to watch a documentary about life as one of these people.
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There was a documentary out for awhile on youtube but I was not able to find it. If you search for the YPG on youtube there is a bunch of videos. Some are within a year.

From what I recall Europeans were volunteering through facebook and just travelled there like a tourist. They are not paid if you fight for the YPG. Merc and military contractor are different. Guns and ammo was supplied upon arrival. Clothes and carriers are availability based. Probably recommended to bring your own. That's why there is no uniformity. Some governments were unhappy about people going over there. Can't remember if it was the German or English government but one of its citizens was branded a terrorist for going there and fighting ISIS. Make sense of that. The most interesting thing to me is why they would risk their life like that. Most wanted to shoot ISIS over there now instead of at home later. There were some other reasons as well.

We had some Canadians do it too. One ex military guy and some overweight gated community girl are the only ones I have seen. The girl did not stay long and was told by other people to go home and that she does not belong there.
 
the thing is not AK vs AR, they are both neck to neck competing with pluses and minuses each. the question is why M series doesn't have rigid cleaning rod... maybe statistically M series is less likely to run into this problem.. I do not know
 
jparent said:
So... you want to bet your life on a ####ty rifle that goes down in combat... because it can be fixed with a stick...

I'd rather something that doesn't #### the bed in a firefight thanks....
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When you travel civilian air in jeans and a Hollister shirt to a sketchy s**t show US/Russia/China proxy war as a volunteer, you get handed a gun to use by rebel group X Probably the "best" one they have....but that's not saying much.

That gun he is using has probably been through 7 wars, carried and dropped by 4 dead men/women and cleaned once in 20 years with a rock and used engine oil out of Toyota Hilux....
That's why it jams. After that much neglect even if you had access to proper cleaning kit the chamber is probably corroded, spring are all worn out (extractor) etc etc

Any gun in that state, abused and neglected in those conditions with no access to spare parts would be of questionable operating conditions at best. And that's what these guys get handed when they show up to play COD in real life.

The AK47 when maintained even with a field cleaning kit is extremely reliable. So is the AR15. So is the Tavor. So is the FN FAL. So is every long developed battle tested action.
The crux is they actually have to be maintained and serviced periodically lol
 
Travis Bickle said:
When you travel civilian air in jeans and a Hollister shirt to a sketchy s**t show US/Russia/China proxy war as a volunteer, you get handed a gun to use by rebel group X Probably the "best" one they have....but that's not saying much.

That gun he is using has probably been through 7 wars, carried and dropped by 4 dead men/women and cleaned once in 20 years with a rock and used engine oil out of Toyota Hilux....
That's why it jams. After that much neglect even if you had access to proper cleaning kit the chamber is probably corroded, spring are all worn out (extractor) etc etc

Any gun in that state, abused and neglected in those conditions with no access to spare parts would be of questionable operating conditions at best. And that's what these guys get handed when they show up to play COD in real life.

The AK47 when maintained even with a field cleaning kit is extremely reliable. So is the AR15. So is the Tavor. So is the FN FAL. So is every long developed battle tested action.
The crux is they actually have to be maintained and serviced periodically lol
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How dare you bring reality into a game of fantasy. :)
 
PECHENEG said:
the thing is not AK vs AR, they are both neck to neck competing with pluses and minuses each. the question is why M series doesn't have rigid cleaning rod... maybe statistically M series is less likely to run into this problem.. I do not know
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From what I've read malfunctions like these (stuck casing) are usually caused by using mixed brass (specifically large amounts of steel cased followed by brass cased, because steel doesn't expand much so residue stick in the chamber and brass expands into the residue and gets stuck.)

ARs are much more vulnerable to this type of malfunction when using mixed ammo than AKs because 5.56 is not very tapered like 7.62x39 and 5.45 is to aid extraction and chamber tolerances are tighter in an AR. Using only brass cased ammo only in ARs as they are designed to though it's just as reliable as AK.
 
PECHENEG said:
same happens to ARs. not sure you can fix AR with same ease and speed
there is a reason why ak is so spread and it is not only its low cost and the fact that USSR was shipping it for free to many places.
ak also exists in 5.45 just FYI

we are talking about rigid cleaning rod in this specific situation
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No... you said "That's why i'll rely my life on the AK style platform" so it's not just about cleaning rods.
 
Travis Bickle said:
lol I apologize. I will now gracefully take a step back and allow the slow spiral of this thread into hard core armchair video game commando territory ;)
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Oh come on. You should head over to the FB version of this thread, where a battle of how superior the 7.62x39 round is over the 5.56 rages... :nest:
 
jparent said:
No... you said "That's why i'll rely my life on the AK style platform" so it's not just about cleaning rods.
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I think Pechenegs point was more that the AK platform tends to carry a cleaning rod on it that can be used for such situations... where as something like a AR does not.
 
ARs in a similarly decrepit state as your typical 3th world battlefield salvage AK will be pretty much useless.

The Vietnam era M16s remaining in the hands of the indigenous "Montagnard" tribespeople are a good example, the few remaining examples that function at all have apparently long since been reduced to straight pull bolt actions.
 
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