The 71/84 Mauser

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I came across a 71/84 Mauser that I would like to sell.
But, I am at a loss as far as value goes. Some of the prices that I have came across online are no less than $1000 and as high as $2500.
My camera is on the fritz right now but this is as close of a comparison to it as I can get to give an idea as to what it looks like.
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Any and all help would be appreciated. Thank you.


***I forgot to note, I have not given the rifle a total fine comb. But it is matching, the stock has either been refinished at some point or is repro as the sling is also seemingly original.
 
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These rifles are not extremely scarce in Canada because thousands were imported here years ago. However, to find one that has not been sporterized and is in very good original condition is difficult. Finding an original full length stock or magazine tube to restore one is a non-starter. The Jaeger model with slightly different trigger guard among other things sells for a premium. Marstar has had a regular 71/84 in pristine condition listed for $1,050 for a long time. P&S has a good one for $795. I collect Mausers and one in original configuration with matching parts (virtually everything is serial numbered on those including the screws) would peek my interest at around $800 - $900.

If I'm not mistaken these have antique status in both Canada and the US with prices down there being higher than up here, which is kind of unusual. Check out Joe Salter's site. He prices things to sell and he usually has a few of them listed at any one time.
 
I notice J.Salter has two listed from $350-$1400.
That is a rather large gap.
I have noticed the one on Marstar, that is where I did get the original price idea from. But, you are correct, that has been there for atleast over a year.

As far as selling it, I was thinking along the lines of $900.
Not exactly too high, but at the same time not necessarily too low.
Its quite a nice Mauser, very clean and shiny. I will have to do more investigating I suppose.
 
Sounds reasonable to me. The one that I mentioned from P&S has had its stock varnished and the bluing looks less than 50% at a price point of $800. But then you have to consider the sales tax. The 71/84 is a must have for any serious Mauser collector, but for me the turn off is the thought of reloading black powder cartiges. You might want to post in the Black Powder forum to see what kind of interest you get there.
 
Unit markings are also a bonus and can add a premium if the buyer is interested.

That is one super clean 71.84, what is the maker and date ?
 
What's wrong with reloading Black Powder Cartridges?

They go "BANG!", they push gigantic chunks of lead down the range and they can be utterly devastating on a gallon jug of water. FUN!!!!

If you don't like the FACT that Back Powder residue just LOVES to eat your brass, just as fast as it can, you can do several things. The more complicated method is to drop your brass into a bucket of water, then boil it out after the range session, dry ad start weighing your charges and reloading with just the right amount of compression and all the rest. This gives you a dead duplicate of the original ammo.

OR you can do what us Lazy Sods do...... and duplicate the COMMERCIAL loads which were available here in Canada up until 1968. These were SMOKELESS loads and they were a precise duplicate of the original loads in every way except that there was no smoke, no brass getting eaten for lunch..... and no high pressure, which is what will wreck one of these fine old rifles in about 1/1000 of a second.

The .43 Mauser was actually, by the old American scales, a .44-77-386. The BULLET was .446" diameter (for the .433" bore) and weighed 386 grains. The CHARGE was 77 grains of Black.

Now, there still exists an efficient and available Smokeless-for-Black powder, the last descendant of the ancient Bulk powders. It is a Sporting Rifle powder, SR-4759 and it has been out of production and back into production and out again and in again more times than I can count since I bought my first tin. Right now, it is IN production and it is wonderful. The FORMULA is simple: for any Back powder rifle cartridge, load normally except that you substitute SR-4759 for your Black Powder charge in a load of 38%-by-weight-of-Black. Thus, for a .44-77-386 you would get the correct casings (.43 Mauser in this example) and load your 386-grain cast lead bullet with (77x.38=) 29.3 grains of SR-4759. The charge will be very bulky, you don't need fillers or wads: just dump it in, seat a slug and head for the range.

Your RESULTS will be a perfect duplicate of the original German military load..... except for smoke and corrosion. You even get the same pressure levels, so no problems. And the stuff is bulky enough that you REALLY have to screw up to double-charge and not notice it.

SR-4759 is the PERFECT smokeless powder for just about ALL those wonderful old antique Black-powder rifles. It works fine in Winchesters and Mausers and Vetterlis and dozens of others although, to be honest, I DO shoot my Sniders with Black: some of those old iron barrels make me just a bit leery, although ICI did load Martini ammo with smokeless for many years..... but even they stayed with Black for Sniders.

Hope this helps.
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Nabs said:
Unit markings are also a bonus and can add a premium if the buyer is interested.

That is one super clean 71.84, what is the maker and date ?
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Spandau 1887.
The rifle looks to have also been reblued and on further investigation of the rifle it looks like the stock is indeed a repro w/ cartouches. Also I guess I misread but the only matching is barrel to receiver.
 
How can a price estimate possibly be given without pics, with a story that changes, and with only vague descriptions being offered?

$150-$1150 is the range.

The M71/84 is not an antique in Canada.
 
smellie is absolutely correct. I own several of these rifles and load for them. I used to load with black, but found not only the cartridges had to be cleaned, but so did the action, and believe me, there's a lot to take apart. I would really encourage you to get some brass, a set of dies and take it out and shoot it! For smokeless loads, I have used IMR-4198 with filler extensively.
 
Andy said:
How can a price estimate possibly be given without pics, with a story that changes, and with only vague descriptions being offered?

$150-$1150 is the range.

The M71/84 is not an antique in Canada.
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A changing story?
Its rather clear, besides the lack of a solid photo. Which will be up as soon as possible.

Right now the story on it is; reblued, matching barrel and receiver, possible refinished or repro stock, shiny bore.

I will truely have to post pictures, sorry about that.
 
Have a peak on the bottom of the butt plate for any German repair depot markings. Rifles that were in active service were generally sent back an inspection every year or so and sometimes they were re-finished, fixed up, and sent out again.

I haven't seen any depot markings on 71.84s before but there can always be a first time for everything.

The depot marking will be quite noticable with a large arabic numeral and a single capital letter of slightly smaller size underneath (armourer's initial who did the work).
 
Relax Andy. No one's suggesting a precise price estimate. I pointed out some asking prices that I have observed in the market that suggest a range. The original post states "Any and all help would be appreciated."
 
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