The automatic SVT the AVT 40

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I been doing some reading and research, and come to some conclusions, why ? because this interests me .

(first this is in no way me intending to break the law) I am not even contemplating it

I read that the main difference between the two was a 15 round mag ........and a different safety

my opinion

BULLSHOT!

after looking at my trigger group and having studied it closely no way !
IMO there was was alot more difference between the two trigger groups
now i would love to see a pic of the 15 round mag though
anyway your thoughts? I am no gunsmith
 
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There has to be something to trip the sear reliably (and safely) when the bolt goes into battery. M1 and M2 carbines are another example of how a purpose built semi auto can be made into a full auto with just some modifications to the trigger group.
I read that the main difference between the two was a 15 round mag ........and a different safety
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Not everything you read on the "innernet" is reliable
 
Once saw a Globe sported Tokarev whose safety would rotate both ways. The rifle appeared to be semi only, don't know if was actually a sported CA AVT or not.
 
The only difference between the two is the trigger group and the stock which was dished out on both sides of the trigger group for the selector.

SOME AVT trigger groups made it into refurbed SVT's but the F/A parts were supposedly rendered inoperable durign the refurb.

I know very little about the legality of such a unit in Canada???
 
I've had a couple SVT's with AVT stock stamps and the safety cut on both sides of the stock - the trigger packs were semi-only though, naturally.
 
This raises the question - how can you tell if a given Tokarev was manufactured as a SVT or an AVT? An AVT with a SVT trigger group would be a CA.
 
Parts from AVT's were salvaged to rebuild SVT-40's and not the other away around. AVT's were quite a fiasco as a military weapon.
 
kjohn, unless you relish the thought of more OIC's aimed at preventing you from enjoying your rifles, such counter-productive info should probably be edited out of your post ;)
 
kjohn, unless you relish the thought of more OIC's aimed at preventing you from enjoying your rifles, such counter-productive info should probably be edited out of your post
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I didn't start this to be a "how to" thread.

with my limited knowledge I could only guess that was the wrong trigger group. hence not a full bodied SVT, (my guess only) or could if have simply broken? mechanical devices do fail



Parts from AVT's were salvaged to rebuild SVT-40's and not the other away around. AVT's were quite a fiasco as a military weapon.
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and JP....... I figured that maybe it was just a "stop gap" type measure , things were not really going well for ole russia at that time

what do you know about the bedding problem BTW
 
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this is also going by a few books they make no reference to the trigger group
and if the avt 40 was selective fire i would think that it would def need a different group
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It was selective... safety to one side = full auto, safety to another side = semi-auto. Unless the rifle was captured by Germans and brought home somehow, you will find AVT, otherwise it was scrapped for parts and turned out into SVT. AVT had = stock stamped AVT with cuts to both sides, muzzle brake with big cut (sometimes you can see them on SVT especially made in 1941 when all AVT were scraped) instead of small SVT cuts and sometimes they had bigger mag (15 or 20).
 
shortandlong said:
I been doing some reading and research, and come to some conclusions, why ? because this interests me .

(first this is in no way me intending to break the law) I am not even contemplating it

I read that the main difference between the two was a 15 round mag ........and a different safety

my opinion

BULLSHOT!
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I am not aware of any 15 round magazines for the AVT-40 or SVT-40, but the rest appears to be true according to my testing. Unless of course the two rifles I have use AVT trigger groups (they are now semi-auto).

Both my SVT-40s are 1943 Tula rifles in AVT stocks with the later muzzle break. They are stamped matching re-furbs.

If someone could post a picture of a earlier dated trigger group it would be appreciated.
 
""kjohn, unless you relish the thought of more OIC's aimed at preventing you from enjoying your rifles, such counter-productive info should probably be edited out of your post""

Edit away.
 
Far as I understand, it wasn't the fact that the safety would flip both ways that really mattered. But if the safety were able to flip both ways AND was cut out at the correct point, it would allow the trigger to be brought backwards far enough for the full-auto function to work. Just a two-way flip on the safety is not enough to send you to jail............ but, if you have a two-way flip on the safety, check things out very carefully and then get the parts you require to restore your legal SVT to strict self-loading function.

Samozaradniya Vintovka equates to "Self-loading Rifle" so, if yours needs repairs, GET THEM.

I don't recall any dedicated AVS rifles being brought into the country but, with our Government, you never know. They let in a whole RAFT of M-2 Carbines back in the 1960s, and now you get free board and room (at Her Majesty's expense) for possessing one of these rifles which were brought in, and sold, quite legally. What has happened is that definitions have been changed by lawyers, to make laws, for lawyers to make a buck from, that we have to boey and that even the lawyers can't understand.

BE SAFE!
 
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