The better rifle

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Just trying to compare what is the better rifle. A rem model 7 in 7mm saum or a Ruger M77 MKII in 7mm rem mag. Both are in stainless. The Ruger has a 4 position safety which i am not used to. I have always been a Remington and Tikka shooter but have always liked Ruger. Do you guys know of any pros or cons of either rifle.
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The Ruger has a 3-position safety, not 4. I personally like the Ruger better, pro to it would be that it's not in an already obsolescent caliber. Con would be that accuracy is usually not up to the Remingtons...might shoot extremely well though...
 
Model Sevens are nice rifles, but I dont care for the stock all that much. Besides that, they are great rifles, and the 7saum is a cool cartridge that I have quite a bit of experience with.
 
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I would go with the 7mm Rem. Mag. in the Ruger even though the Model 7 in 7mm saum are very nice, more for the reason of cost and availability to buy ammo. If you reload brass is the only extra cost you will find, the 7mm rem. mag has more speed especially with heavier bullets. 160gr partitions 3100fps with 80gr. H870.
 
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I have a Model 7 in .308 6.7lbs with a Leupold 1.75 to 6 , it is my favorite gun, nice action, never failed in 18years of use, I have a Rem 700 with a Hart Barrel in 7mmwsm and it a fabulous cartridge, and ease to get to tac, the saum should be the same, and you can get so many extas for the Remington, to tune it finer, I added Tubbs Pin, jewell trigger,light magazine etc
Good Luck
 
I am partial to the 7mm RM, as I have been shooting it for 20 years now. I can't say that about any other caliber. Lots has been said about the new short 7mm's and even the .280 AI being very close to the RM, but IMHO it is hogwash. If you step up to equal pressure then the 7mm RM has the field covered. As a testament to the decreased performance loads in the RM these days, look at the older stuff. In Jack O'Connor's "The Rifle Book" he states that out of a 24" barrel he chronographed the 175gr factory loads right around the claimed 3020fps! Today, Remington loads the 175gr PLSP to a mere 2860fps, and the 160gr Core-Lokt Ultra to 2950fps. Meanwhile, they load the 7mm SAUM with the same 160gr to 2960fps. Can you say "marketing ploy"? In the lighter 150gr bullets both the RM and the SAUM are loaded to 3110fps, in O'Connor's book the RM with the 150gr was loaded to 3260fps. He tested the loads in a Remington Model 700. I can't speak to which of the rifles is better, as I have only owned one of each rifle you list. But the 7mm RM is the better cartridge.
 
Get the Ruger in 7mm WSM. With the 22" barrel you'll get better performance than the 7mm SAUM in the Rem 7 with the 20" barrel. ;)
 
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I am partial to the 7mm RM, as I have been shooting it for 20 years now. I can't say that about any other caliber. Lots has been said about the new short 7mm's and even the .280 AI being very close to the RM, but IMHO it is hogwash. If you step up to equal pressure then the 7mm RM has the field covered. As a testament to the decreased performance loads in the RM these days, look at the older stuff. In Jack O'Connor's "The Rifle Book" he states that out of a 24" barrel he chronographed the 175gr factory loads right around the claimed 3020fps! Today, Remington loads the 175gr PLSP to a mere 2860fps, and the 160gr Core-Lokt Ultra to 2950fps. Meanwhile, they load the 7mm SAUM with the same 160gr to 2960fps. Can you say "marketing ploy"? In the lighter 150gr bullets both the RM and the SAUM are loaded to 3110fps, in O'Connor's book the RM with the 150gr was loaded to 3260fps. He tested the loads in a Remington Model 700. I can't speak to which of the rifles is better, as I have only owned one of each rifle you list. But the 7mm RM is the better cartridge.
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our buddy 1899 is right on the money...I've owned a standard 7-08, a 7mm-08 AI,a 7mm SAUM, 7mm Rem Mag and a 280AI....the 280 AI is the ballistic twin to the 7mmSAUM....the 7mm Rem Mag is a good bit faster...unless you use the loading manuals as your guide. A 24" 7mm Rem Mag that I had a few years back was a solid 3350/140 rifle...it did hit 3400 but was pretty hot at that pressure,the 280AI that I currently have is solid 3100/140 rifle (it will do 3150 but it's a bit warm), and I've heard of guys getting 3200.

I guess the question then is "which rifle do you like the best?"

a hundred or two hundred feet per second either way isn't going to make or break your hunt...
 
todbartell said:
Model Sevens in SAUM's have 22" tubes
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Okay, good to know that... but still the SAUM's are pretty much getting to be 'lame duck' cartridges now aren't they. I mean even 'Big Green' is chambering rifles in the WSM's? Sound's like a coup for Winchester... :eek:
 
agreed, the SAUM's have been dropped from Savage, the Remington rifle m700 SS

270 & 300 WSM chambered in m700 XCR, SPS, LSS

SAUm chambered in M700 Ti, 673, Model Seven LS & SS rifles

 
I am not crazy about the stock's on model 7's either, they just feel to small for me. I would also go for the 7mm mag over the 7mm RSAUM just because the RSAUM is on it's way to being obsolete. Several manufacturers are now chmabersing the 7mm WSM (Sako and Tikka being the new ones), a better choice might be the 7mm REm mag vs the 7mm WSM, ballistics are the same, more availability of rifles and ammo than the RSAUM.
I didn;'t think muh of the short vs long action thing until I carried a few shorts the last two years, I'm not as young as I used to be and a pound less weight makes me happy if ballistics are similar, my Browning Abolt 11 300 WSM weighs just over 8 lbs all in with a Zeiss scope nd a belly full of shells.
 
don't let the "obsolete" thing scare you.....how many commonly used cartridges today have been called "obsolete" at one time or another?...lots of them....the 220 Swift was obsolete for many years, the 222 could almost be called obsolete, completely overshadowed by the 223 and not many new rifles chambered for it these days, the 358 Winchester is obsolete and a lot of guys use it, the 350 Rem Mag was obsolete for many years and a lot of guys still shot it, how about the 264 Winchester, it could be called "obsolete"..just don't tell "supercub"...I could go on and on....the 308 Norma is "obsolete" too in some eyes,..it's still in use. I think the "obsolete" tag is hung when there's nothing else really negative to say about the cartridge in question...hell, I even heard that when the 270 Winchester made it's debute in 1925 that it would make the 7x57 Mauser obsolete...that didn't happen either.
 
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