The Easiest Way To Stay Up To Date With The Current OIC Related FRT Changes

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We thought we would post this link to Armalytics.ca for people to use as a quick and comprehensive way stay up to date with the current FRT changes. We would like to thank the CSAAA for forwarding this to us and also Armalytics for their fantastic work. Armalytics accepts donations on their website to help cover the costs of hosting, etc. - please feel free to make a donation if you are able.

We know Armalytics has been mentioned elsewhere but the more places a useful resource like this can be found the better.

Forwarded from the CSAAA:

Armalytics.ca has become the go-to resource for keeping track of changes to the FRT and offers a searchable database that allows business owners and consumers to search any or all firearms affected by the OIC firearms ban. The CSAAA has been extremely grateful for the work Armalytics has been doing for us as we continue to battle this latest attack on our industry.
 
Only thing i dont like is they say the modern sporter (etc) is prohibited and "affected by ban". This simply isn't true in that it was not mentioned in the OIC (The de facto legal ban) the modern sporter was ONLY changed via the rcmp reneging the FRT, which as per the RCMP website is NOT a legal document. It is subordinate to Canadian law, which has not stated the MS to be prohibited. It still meets all requirements for a legal nr rifle and i will still be using it.
 
apexanimal said:
Only thing i dont like is they say the modern sporter (etc) is prohibited and "affected by ban". This simply isn't true in that it was not mentioned in the OIC (The de facto legal ban) the modern sporter was ONLY changed via the rcmp reneging the FRT, which as per the RCMP website is NOT a legal document. It is subordinate to Canadian law, which has not stated the MS to be prohibited. It still meets all requirements for a legal nr rifle and i will still be using it.
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if the frt lists it as effected by the ban then that is how it is listed. It doesn't matter that the FRT is not a legal document because it is the document that police forces use to determine if you have committed an offence (possession of a pohib without a licence say?) If the firearm in your possession is listed prohib by oic in the FRT you are probably getting charged, then you have to fight to prove it is not a prohib weapon, the punishment is the process, how hard is this for you people to understand?

you go ahead and use it to hearts content but when you get arrested and have all your firearms confiscated don't come crying about it.



Thank you wenstalls the more people that have the opportunity to see this the better.
 
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Usually when you expand the details it will say which paragraph they referenced to prohibit in the FRT. ie: like an AR Par 87 or more than 10000 joules, etc
 
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Big-boss-man said:
if the frt lists it as effected by the ban then that is how it is listed. It doesn't matter that the FRT is not a legal document because it is the document that police forces use to determine if you have committed an offence (possession of a pohib without a licence say?) If the firearm in your possession is listed prohib by oic in the FRT you are probably getting charged, then you have to fight to prove it is not a prohib weapon, the punishment is the process, how hard is this for you people to understand?

you go ahead and use it to hearts content but when you get arrested and have all your firearms confiscated don't come crying about it.



Thank you wenstalls the more people that have the opportunity to see this the better.
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You completely misunderstood my comment. Prohib by changing the frt is different than the oic ban. If you dont believe me, look at the EE and tell me if you see any MS or SLR rifles for sale. If they were under the OIC you would not be seeing them for sale. I mean at the end of the day an rcmp officer could arrest you for shooting a scary looking single shot .22, does that mean youre not going to go shooting? Again, its a great website i just wish theyd specify the guns that were prohib by FRT reneging as yes it does make a difference.
 
apexanimal said:
Only thing i dont like is they say the modern sporter (etc) is prohibited and "affected by ban". This simply isn't true in that it was not mentioned in the OIC (The de facto legal ban) the modern sporter was ONLY changed via the rcmp reneging the FRT, which as per the RCMP website is NOT a legal document. It is subordinate to Canadian law, which has not stated the MS to be prohibited. It still meets all requirements for a legal nr rifle and i will still be using it.
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This is a good point. The intention of the site was to reflect exactly what is in the FRT without inserting any other information or opinion. But I agree that a distinction should be made between what was banned by name and what was interpreted to be banned by the RCMP.

One problem is there are some unquestionable AR15s not banned by name but that the RCMP have reclassified and I wouldn't want to give off the impression that their classification is open to interpretation.
 
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The OIC already states very clearly which guns are banned by name. The list is in alphabetical order. Its not that difficult to browse through it via the PDF.
I don't see an absolute need to make that redundant on armalytics. Would be a nice feature for simplicity sure, but its not a big deal.
 
In my opinion, a website like this does the average firearms owner no favours - in fact it does exactly the opposite in regards to the newly prohibited firearms not named in OIC. The Liberal government has published their list and the RCMP website directs you to check the actual OIC. There is no way for the average person to even check the FRT, and the RCMP themselves don't even suggest the average firearms owner should be familiar with it. All that these kinds of websites achieve for owners of unfairly reclassified firearms not named in OIC is eliminate some plausible deniability for law abiding firearms owners and do the RCMP's dirty work for them
 
metamatt said:
In my opinion, a website like this does the average firearms owner no favours - in fact it does exactly the opposite in regards to the newly prohibited firearms not named in OIC. The Liberal government has published their list and the RCMP website directs you to check the actual OIC. There is no way for the average person to even check the FRT, and the RCMP themselves don't even suggest the average firearms owner should be familiar with it. All that these kinds of websites achieve for owners of unfairly reclassified firearms not named in OIC is eliminate some plausible deniability for law abiding firearms owners and do the RCMP's dirty work for them
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This is simply posted as a resource for the community. We're not here to argue semantics, etc. - I'm pretty sure we're all on the same side with regard to the OIC, etc.

Unfortunately "Ignorance is Bliss" is not a viable defense and does not afford one "plausible deniability" should you end up in court. This table is based off RCMP actions and decisions that have already happened and are apparently still happening.

It behooves members of the shooting sports community to stay informed during these confusing times. This table will help you do just that. The resource is available, it's your decision to use it or not.

Stay safe out there folks.

Cheers.
 
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Thank you very much for this resource! I've heard (not sure the complete accuracy), the RCMP and Feds are still adding guns to the list, but not providing updates to the public until well after they do so. Hopefully this website is able to update the banned firearms in real time or close to it. In the very least I'm sure it will save me time searching for myself, though I guess I should be double checking with the official source anyway.
 
Youzawhale said:
The OIC already states very clearly which guns are banned by name. The list is in alphabetical order. Its not that difficult to browse through it via the PDF.
I don't see an absolute need to make that redundant on armalytics. Would be a nice feature for simplicity sure, but its not a big deal.
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the OIC states that all AR15's, variant of AR15s, and modified versions of the AR15 are prohibited. (note the modified term is new, previous law was only variant)

then listed SOME examples. there is no way to list them all.

then the following month rcmp firearms lab technicians updated the FRT with their opinions of what was an ar15, variant, or moddied ar15. yes their opinions are not law.

but it's what the RCMP will use to arrest and charge you. and then you'll be infront of a judge. only they can decide what the law says. however they will be listening to an RCMP firearms lab technician in the courtroom. the one who's opinion created the FRT. and then a judge decides if you as an everyday firearms owner, or an RCMP firearms lab technician is more creditable as to what a firearm should be declared as.

so yes. people should have access to the FRT. and then they can choose if they want to risk that courtroom fight or not.
 
hinks said:
Thank you very much for this resource! I've heard (not sure the complete accuracy), the RCMP and Feds are still adding guns to the list, but not providing updates to the public until well after they do so. Hopefully this website is able to update the banned firearms in real time or close to it. In the very least I'm sure it will save me time searching for myself, though I guess I should be double checking with the official source anyway.
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it's not real time. it's a week or so delayed.
 
scott said:
it's not real time. it's a week or so delayed.
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Good to know, thanks!

Ya I saw on the website it says "Data is sourced from the Firearms Reference Table (Public Version) as authored by the RCMP and made available on their website. Updates to the RCMP document are usually reflected on armalytics.ca within 24hr and tagged with the Valid As Of Date property."
 
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