The experimental rifle that almost changed World War II

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Well, I somehow don't doubt that McArthur was right about the logistics of converting at the time, I mean who was in a better position to know, but if nothing else they might have missed the original issue M16 disaster that happened 25 years later, in Vietnam.

The experimental rifle that almost changed World War II

In 1928, the Army asked itself how it could make its rifles, and therefore its riflemen, more lethal in case all those building tensions in Europe and Asia eventually boiled over and triggered a new world war. After years of study and design, they c…

By Logan Nye

Posted On Jul 9, 2022 2:36 AM PDT

In 1928, the Army asked itself how it could make its rifles, and therefore its riflemen, more lethal in case all those building tensions in Europe and Asia eventually boiled over and triggered a new world war. After years of study and design, they came up with a rifle design that some leaders thought would be capable of tipping battles, but it never saw combat.

Pedersen rifle patent

It started in 1928 when the Army created a “Caliber Board” to determine what the most lethal size would be for a rifle round. Their eventual conclusion would be familiar to anyone who carried an M16 or M4. While .30-caliber and larger rounds were great for hunting animals, they passed too quickly and easily through humans. The board decided that a smaller round, preferably .276 inches or smaller, would be best.

This decision was no surprise to John Douglas Pedersen, a well-known weapon designer with an experimental rifle chambered for .276-caliber that featured a delayed-blowback mechanism and a 10-round clip.

This allowed the weapon to fire reliably, and it allowed infantrymen and cavalrymen to maintain a high rate of fire. A demonstration of the weapon pleased senior Army leaders, and they asked when they could take prototypes to the field for testing.

But the Pedersen did have some drawbacks. The weapon was very precisely machined, and even small errors could throw off its operation. Also, its rounds had to receive a thin coating of wax to guarantee that they’d properly feed through the weapon. Finally, its clips could only be fed in one direction into the rifle, meaning riflemen reloading under fire would have to be careful to get it right.

So, other weapon designers thought they had a chance to win the Army’s business. Other .276-caliber designs entered competition, including the Garand.

The Garand could take a beating, was easier to manufacture, and didn’t need lubricated rounds. The Pedersen was still the frontrunner in many eyes, but the Garand posed a real threat to it.

Shooting a .276 Pedersen PB Rifle

An even greater blow to the Pedersen was coming. As the move to a .276-caliber continued, the Army Ordnance Department was putting up fierce resistance. The department didn’t want to have to set up the whole new supply chain, get the new tools, or prepare the new stockpiles of ammunition required to support the switch.

The Ordnance Department argued, successfully, to Army Chief of Staff Douglas MacArthur that the change would be expensive and present logistics challenges. MacArthur ordered that any new rifle had to use the .30-caliber ammunition already in use by the Army.

Most of the competitors, including Pedersen, didn’t think they could re-configure their weapons quickly to accept the larger ammunition, but the Garand team could. They quickly swapped in new parts, and entered a .30-caliber Garand and it won the competition, going on to become the M1 Garand of World War II legend.

A U.S. Marine with his trusty M1 Garand in World War II. (U.S. Marine Corps)

But it’s easy to imagine an alternate history where the Pedersen or the .276-Garand went into production instead. The .30-caliber ammunition and older weapons would’ve still seen action, sent forward with Free French, British, and Russian forces under the Cash-and-Carry system and then Lend-Lease.

Meanwhile, American troops would’ve carried a slightly lighter rifle and much lighter rounds, giving them the ability to more quickly draw their weapons and the ability to sustain a higher rate of fire with the same strain on individual soldiers and the logistics chain.

And, best of all, more lethality per hit. The .30-caliber rounds, the same size as 7.62mm, are more likely to pass through a target at the ranges in which most battles are fought. But .276-caliber rounds are more likely to tumble a time or two after hitting a target, dispersing their energy in the target’s flesh and causing massive internal bleeding.

So, if the 1928 Ordnance Board and the modern minds behind 5.56mm and the potential 6.8mm weapons were right, each successful rifle hit by American soldiers was more likely to cause death or extreme wounding.

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Wars are not won by the infantry rifle but by artillery and aerial bombs and logistics. So, although the .276 round may have been ahead of its time, it wouldn't have made a significant different impact, IMHO.
 
The WW2 was won by the US's ridiculous capacity in ramming up war time manufacturing - the amount of things they pumped out in 5 years.

And the way they financed it.

And big part of this "win" is probably due to fact that the Americans had a strong enough middle + senior management who were in the position to enforce/impose "costs" management, vs the germans were wasting resources on ridiculous mysterious weapons because Hitler loved that sort of things.
 
The Pedersen wouldn't have appreciably altered the war. People don't just walk off hits from a 30-06.

Even the MP44, had it been brought in years earlier wouldn't have altered the ultimate outcome of the war.
 
the germans were wasting resources on ridiculous mysterious weapons because Hitler loved that sort of things.

After visiting so many military museums in my travels, and watching countless hours of documentarys. Ive come to the conclusion that a large portion of the allied success was delivered by the reconnaissance and intelligence services, followed by the brave men and women who executed the bombing and sabotage raids.

The V2 weapon project alone couldve pounded UK into submission and finished off Moscow. I visited 2 of the big launch bunkers near Saint Omar France and both came very close to be operational. British intelligence timed the bombing runs with the curing of the concrete to maximize destruction of the construction sites. Alternatively one of the ground generals was pushing for mobile launch trucks that wouldve be hard to spot by air.

Saboteurs sunk Nazi Germanys heavy water supply in Norway essentially stopping their Atomic weapon program, which was close enough to fruition that Oppenheimer was very worried about it.

If the Type 21 Uboats were prioritized over surface ships and other coastal endeavors they couldve won the battle of the Atlantic and maybe stopped the allied success in the Mediterranean.

The whole D Day invasion couldve failed in numerous ways too. Counterintelligence was successful at diverting most of Rommels forces. Its also fascinating that it occured when both Rommel and Hitler were sleeping in lol

Then theres the whole enigma cracking achievement.
 
After visiting so many military museums in my travels, and watching countless hours of documentarys. Ive come to the conclusion that a large portion of the allied success was delivered by the reconnaissance and intelligence services, followed by the brave men and women who executed the bombing and sabotage raids.

The V2 weapon project alone couldve pounded UK into submission and finished off Moscow. I visited 2 of the big launch bunkers near Saint Omar France and both came very close to be operational. British intelligence timed the bombing runs with the curing of the concrete to maximize destruction of the construction sites. Alternatively one of the ground generals was pushing for mobile launch trucks that wouldve be hard to spot by air.

Saboteurs sunk Nazi Germanys heavy water supply in Norway essentially stopping their Atomic weapon program, which was close enough to fruition that Oppenheimer was very worried about it.

If the Type 21 Uboats were prioritized over surface ships and other coastal endeavors they couldve won the battle of the Atlantic and maybe stopped the allied success in the Mediterranean.

The whole D Day invasion couldve failed in numerous ways too. Counterintelligence was successful at diverting most of Rommels forces. Its also fascinating that it occured when both Rommel and Hitler were sleeping in lol

Then theres the whole enigma cracking achievement.

Yes, without the breaking of the German and Japanese military comm codes, things would not have gone anywhere near as smoothly. And then there's the Manhattan Project, which shortened the war with Japan by at least a year and a million or more deaths.
 
After visiting so many military museums in my travels, and watching countless hours of documentarys. Ive come to the conclusion that a large portion of the allied success was delivered by the reconnaissance and intelligence services, followed by the brave men and women who executed the bombing and sabotage raids.

The V2 weapon project alone couldve pounded UK into submission and finished off Moscow. I visited 2 of the big launch bunkers near Saint Omar France and both came very close to be operational. British intelligence timed the bombing runs with the curing of the concrete to maximize destruction of the construction sites. Alternatively one of the ground generals was pushing for mobile launch trucks that wouldve be hard to spot by air.

Saboteurs sunk Nazi Germanys heavy water supply in Norway essentially stopping their Atomic weapon program, which was close enough to fruition that Oppenheimer was very worried about it.

If the Type 21 Uboats were prioritized over surface ships and other coastal endeavors they couldve won the battle of the Atlantic and maybe stopped the allied success in the Mediterranean.

The whole D Day invasion couldve failed in numerous ways too. Counterintelligence was successful at diverting most of Rommels forces. Its also fascinating that it occured when both Rommel and Hitler were sleeping in lol

Then theres the whole enigma cracking achievement.
Germany and Japan both started the war that became their downfall in an effort to control oil supplies.

Everything else was a sideshow in reality - fortunately Herr Hischler didn't understand this, or was too stupid to.

Without a steady supply of heavy oil Germany and Japan were finished by mid 1942. Watch a few documentaries regarding the German surface navy and you will soon find that the reason Tirpitz and the other heavy ships didn't do more than a few token operations was because they didn't posses the fuel to do so.

Germany invested huge resources into producing synthetic fuels from coal and waste materials like straw and sawdust.

By 1944 civilian buses in Germany were being fueled by wood gas and methane.

Right now we are working to send all of our oil and natural gas to China...
 
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Germany and Japan both started the war that became their downfall in an effort to control oil supplies.

Everything else was a sideshow in reality - fortunately Herr Hischler didn't understand this, or was too stupid to.

Without a steady supply of heavy oil Germany and Japan were finished by mid 1942. Watch a few documentaries regarding the German surface navy and you will soon find that the reason Tirpitz and the other heavy ships didn't do more than a few token operations was because they didn't posses the fuel to do so.

Germany invested huge resources into producing synthetic fuels from coal and waste materials like straw and sawdust.

By 1944 civilian buses in Germany were being fueled by wood gas and methane.

Right now we are working to send all of our oil and natural gas to China...
Fortunately, Hitler didn't have our windmill and solar panel technology, lol.
 
MacArthur did that because he knew that any new procurement would have to be approved by cheap stupid b****rds on Crapitol Hill who at times made him fight just for the Army's very EXISTENCE.

Even then, the Garand only happened because one cranky old Canuck dragged the US gov kicking and screaming into it, bulldozing every roadblock they put in front of him down to the level of redesigning even tooling and factory layout to get it past the aforementioned penny-pinching morons in Congress.
 
nothing really new, the same results from almost every trial for a new caliber. Ideal caliber is between 6mm and 7mm

the 280 Enfield 7x43mm was a compromise to try to appease the Americans, the 270Enfield was an excellent round too but it was dropped early on.

so the 'new' 6.8 that the US is now looking at adopting not a new thing. Although the 80000PSI chamber pressure is something new.
 
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