The Flexi-Tab 870 conversion - pics

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This topic comes up from time to time and I had to convert a few earlier guns to Flexi-tab today, so I took photos of the parts so you guys could quickly see the differences and be able to ID them more readily.

First of all, some people are going to click on this thread and not have heard of a "flexi tab". Basically, on earlier 870's, if you were loading a cartridge into the magazine and cleared the elevator tab, but didn't push the shell hard enough to have it travel past the shell latches, it could pop past the latches and up above the cartridge elevator. Prior to Remington re-designing the 870, this resulted in a serious jam that sometimes necessitated pulling the trigger plate off the gun to clear it.

The Flexi-Tab conversion re-designed the bolt slide, the bolt, and the cartridge elevator such that a round that misfeeds as described above can be easily cleared by cycling the action with a marginal amount of extra force. Why is this important? Well, it was first thought up for duty shotguns where people operated them (potentially) ham-fistedly in high-stress situations. It proved so successful, that other users (such as bear defence customers) wanted the same functionality. Today, virtually all new 870's leave the factory with Flexi-Tabs.

So let's discuss the differences in the parts themselves. Here we have a pair of Wingmaster bolts. The one on the left is from a 1990's Wingmaster, the one on the right is out of a 1970's Wingmaster.

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Look at the area on the bottom of the bolt just below the bolt face. On the newer bolt, you will notice there is a machined-away area that creates a recessed flat. This clearance cut forms part of the Flexi-tab re-disign and if your bolt does not have this feature, it would need to be replaced if you want flex-tab functionality in your shotgun. The bolts are otherwise identical.

Now we look at the bolt slides. the slide on the left is an early one and is not flex-tab compatible. the one on the right is an early flex-tab carrier from the early 1990's. The only difference of consequence, and the only one that has anything to do with flexi-tab functionality are the two little "ramp" cuts on either side of the slide, at the very back, where the slide starts to be rounded. The other differences are just normal manufacturing differences, as Remington changed the design in other way over time - ways that have nothing to do with Flexi-tab function.

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Here's a close-up picture of the flexi-tab compatible slide sitting in the carrier's action bars.

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the next couple pictures show a 2015 made slide next to an early 1990's slide. Both of these slides are flexi-tab compatible, but the 2015 part has an extra action bar notch cut into it to increase the surface area for a new-style carrier (action bars). All slides are backwards compatible, but you need one with the noted "ramp" cuts at the back end to ensure flexi-tab functionality.

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Here are the bottoms of the same parts that show the extra notch for the new-type carrier (action bar) assembly. If you have a new style carrier, you also need a recent manufacture bolt slide (like the one pictured here on the right) as the older ones will not fit without some modification (i.e. cutting this notch into your older slide). The extra notch for the newer carriers has nothing to do with Flexi-tab functionality though!

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Now we look at the cartridge elevators.

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On the left is an early elevator, it is NOT Flexi-tab compatible. On the right is a flex-tab elevator. The "U-shaped" cut in the elevator is what makes it Flexi-tab compatible. This tab flexes outward when the rim of a jammed shell rides over it as a user cycles the action on a jammed round. This flexing tab, coupled with the extra clearance below the bolt face, and the ramps at the back of the slide that allow the bolt to slightly tilt just as it leaves battery, have the combined effect of letting you cycle the action open over a jammed shell. This lets the round feed and then eject normally.

So, in summary, these are the three parts you need to convert an earlier 870 to be Flexi-tab compatible.

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As a closing note, if you don't have a flexi-tab gun and you get a feed jam in a high-stress situation, the proper drill is to point the muzzle up and away from you, grip the gun around the action with a finger depressing the slide release, and your other hand on the slide. Now slam the butt down on a firm surface HARD as you try to cycle the slide. This will usually eject the jam, but there is also a good chance you will crack the buttstock. Don't do it this way unless it's a real emergency. It's also pretty hard on your gun.
 
I've never bothered to modify one, but it could be done in the mill pretty easily. If the bolt is chromed, obviously, that area would now be more susceptible to corrosion.
 
Great post Claven, When you did the modification on your Dominion Arms recently you said you only replaced the carriers with a flex tab version.
Is there less parts needed when doing it with the DA clones?

Here's your reply in the other thread when I asked you what was involved....

Quote Originally Posted by Can-down
Was the flexi-tab an easy swap? Where did you get the flex tab carrier from?

I local gun shop has scrapped some 870's over the years for various reasons. I got 2 flexi-tab carriers (used) from them. You can get new ones from Brownells for around $20 US each. (the second one is going in a Wingmaster build)

To fit one, you either have to use a remington pin, or ream out the carrier's mounting holes by about 5 thou as the DA pin is 5 thou larger in diameter then a Remington pin. You can do this in 5 seconds with a cordless drill if you have the right size bit.

One of mine was a drop-in fit, the other carrier needed a couple file strokes on the hump that the bolt hits to drop the carrier back down when cycling the action. The hump was slightly too tall to fit into the recess in the bottom of the bolt, just enough to make shells hard to load into the mag. A couple file strokes later, and all was fine. Gun's been cycle tested and even the cheap winchester No.4 shells are cycling perfectly.

Realistically, I've had to fiddle around fitting new carriers to real Remingtons as well. They are a stamped metal part and sometimes are just a hair "off", needing very minor bending, tweaking or a few file strokes to work optimally.
 
Great post Claven, When you did the modification on your Dominion Arms recently you said you only replaced the carriers with a flex tab version.
Is there less parts needed when doing it with the DA clones?

Here's your reply in the other thread when I asked you what was involved....

Quote Originally Posted by Can-down
Was the flexi-tab an easy swap? Where did you get the flex tab carrier from?

Good catch :) On my DA, I only replaced the elevator. I still have to figure out what to do with the other parts - I have not even checked if Remington pars interchange yet - been too busy.
 
I'm partial to a refined collection myself, and more than happy to read about your exploits here ;)

You wouldn't happen to have a healthy parts stable for the M37 would you?
 
I'm partial to a refined collection myself, and more than happy to read about your exploits here ;)

You wouldn't happen to have a healthy parts stable for the M37 would you?


Personally, no. But I have a local honey hole I go to when I need something. What are you after? Wood is the hardest thing to get, it seems.
 
Good catch :) On my DA, I only replaced the elevator. I still have to figure out what to do with the other parts - I have not even checked if Remington pars interchange yet - been too busy.

Does it work as intended for clearing shells in it's current arrangement on the D.A. ?
 
The severity of a shell between bolt and lifter jam seems to vary on individual 870s without the Flexi-Tab parts. If I set it up in mine (made in 1974), the action only needs to be worked a bit more forcefully than normal to clear the stoppage; it does not require slamming the butt against the ground or disassembly. It might be worthwhile for anyone considering the modification to check out their gun to see if it actually needs it.
 
No joke there. 870 and M37 walnut have become unicorns in their own right. Deerslayer barrels are probably next in line, and that's my 'whale' at the moment.

Thank you again for sharing this knowledge. Wish I had more time and money to tinker.
 
It works better than wit the stock carrier, but I would really have to come onto it. It does not work like a fully converted gun.

Thanks, for some reason I thought it was a done deal with just the lifter based on your previous thread and that had me confused at the time because I was under the impression there was more to it then a flex tab lifter.
I'd imagine a bit of dremel work on the bolt and carrier would get you there.
 
Claven,
I have read online that the grizzly/other similar Chinese clones don't need the flexi conversion because they resigned the shell lifter area to avoid the jam. Any truth to this?

The post I read it on was copied and pasted to a few gun boards and in broken English so I have my suspicions as to who posted it lol
 
Claven,
I have read online that the grizzly/other similar Chinese clones don't need the flexi conversion because they resigned the shell lifter area to avoid the jam. Any truth to this?

The post I read it on was copied and pasted to a few gun boards and in broken English so I have my suspicions as to who posted it lol

Well I'll be darned.

I just pulled down a grizzly and the OEM bolt and slide are flexi-tab compatible. The OEM elevator has no flexible tab though, so I'm not sure how it would work. If someone has a bone-stock Grizzly, they should try it out and report back. Mine's not stock any longer and I have a real flexi-tab elevator installed, so with the Chinese bolt and carrier having Flexi-Tab features, I know mine will work.

Interestingly, the side is also of the most recent Remington pattern with the extra tab on the carrier.

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